RUCs to apply to all vehicles (incl EVs), replacing road user tax on petrol

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#3243584 1-Jun-2024 21:32

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If they're not driving the vehicle, or parking it in public, then no problem. If they are and get pulled over and checked then things are likely to get fairly expensive.

right, so nothing happens

When I got a speeding ticket in a diesel van, the police officer got me to display the ODO reading and noted it down. So my understanding it that is it standard practice for every police stop on a RUC vehicle.

There are fines for not displaying / carrying:

And steep fines for providing materially incorrect information (i.e. start km):

There is also a whole process for an Assessment of unpaid road user chargers to be done and billed to the owner or operator of the vehicle (up to 6 years worth). I Imagine they would use the odometer readings logged at WOF's and points of entry to estimate what the odometer reading was when RUC's kicked in.

https://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2012/0001/latest/whole.html#DLM3395013

Should note that the RUC system includes enforcement is fairly mature. Evasion happens but it is generally via tampering with the Odometer, not skipping out on the whole scheme.

Would be super easy for the the government to use the vehicle ownership & RUC databases to get a list of vehicles requiring a RUC licence and don't have one, then feed it into their automated number plate readers.

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#3243606 2-Jun-2024 07:34

thanks, i guess those guys will get their RUCs later when they feel like it

on another note, i have been seeing a lot of PHEVs for sale, owners stating their range as 10-20kms, guess they don't want to pay double RUC

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#3243611 2-Jun-2024 08:50

Scott3:

There are fines for not displaying / carrying:

Interesting.

This reads like it's an Offence Notice system where the matter can only be resolved in a Court, whereas most parking matters, and failing to display a current registration sticker are an Infringement Notice system that doesn't require Court involvement and is usually administered by council Parking Wardens.
If my interpretation is correct, a council Parking Warden can't issue a ticket for failing to display a RUC certificate. Odd

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#3243612 2-Jun-2024 08:57

I just tried having a look at the legislation. Particularly the bit which says

”A RUC licence must be displayed or carried in accordance with the regulations made under section 89”.

Specifically looking for where it defined who has to display vs just carry the RUC licence. I’m sure it will be there somewhere.

I know it only takes up a little bit of windscreen space, but it’s kinda ugly.

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#3243615 2-Jun-2024 09:01

Batman:

thanks, i guess those guys will get their RUCs later when they feel like it

on another note, i have been seeing a lot of PHEVs for sale, owners stating their range as 10-20kms, guess they don't want to pay double RUC

they dont pay double RUC, the pay RUC for being a plug in hybrid and fuel tax for the petrol they use

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#3243617 2-Jun-2024 09:04

Dingbatt:

I just tried having a look at the legislation. Particularly the bit which says

”A RUC licence must be displayed or carried in accordance with the regulations made under section 89”.

Specifically looking for where it defined who has to display vs just carry the RUC licence. I’m sure it will be there somewhere.

I know it only takes up a little bit of windscreen space, but it’s kinda ugly.

The carried bit is if you are using an electronic system like ERoad or similar which managed the RUC License.

So maybe only applicable for fleet vehicles who run an electronic system.

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#3243622 2-Jun-2024 09:27

This legislation is confusing. There are also two sets of regulations referenced:

Road User Charges Regulations 2012

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2012/0143/latest/whole.html#DLM4506483

Road User Charges (Infringement Offences) Regulations 2012

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2012/0141/latest/whole.html

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#3243645 2-Jun-2024 11:01

Decades ago I worked in an office with a lady who had disconnected her speedo cable to preserve the resale value of her car.
I don't know what she did to manage service intervals.

She just followed the flow of traffic to manage her speed.

Gave me a lesson and pause to think when entering the car market, one lady owner.

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#3243765 2-Jun-2024 13:53

I wonder how many people said their start distance was much higher than it actually is.

I hope they get a decent fine if caught, becasue I know people will try and game the system.

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#3243809 2-Jun-2024 18:22

Batman:
thanks, i guess those guys will get their RUCs later when they feel like it

on another note, i have been seeing a lot of PHEVs for sale, owners stating their range as 10-20kms, guess they don't want to pay double RUC

Definitely the older PHEV with limited battery life is unattractive now unfortunately.

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#3243812 2-Jun-2024 18:32

Batman:

thanks, i guess those guys will get their RUCs later when they feel like it

on another note, i have been seeing a lot of PHEVs for sale, owners stating their range as 10-20kms, guess they don't want to pay double RUC

PHEVs' resale value are getting a bit hammered presently which was predictable due to their 'foot in each camp' status complicating the implementation of RUCs. If the squealing from PHEV owners is anything to go by now the rolling out of distance based RUCs across the rest of the fleet (including hybrids) that's looming on the horizon is really going to put the cat among the pidgeons.

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#3243821 2-Jun-2024 19:09

HarmLessSolutions:

Batman:

thanks, i guess those guys will get their RUCs later when they feel like it

on another note, i have been seeing a lot of PHEVs for sale, owners stating their range as 10-20kms, guess they don't want to pay double RUC

PHEVs' resale value are getting a bit hammered presently which was predictable due to their 'foot in each camp' status complicating the implementation of RUCs. If the squealing from PHEV owners is anything to go by now the rolling out of distance based RUCs across the rest of the fleet (including hybrids) that's looming on the horizon is really going to put the cat among the pidgeons.

I think the biggest problem was that always on 'self charge' hybrids are now cheaper to run than true EV PHEV options, which in certain circumstances can still be effective for a lot of short trips. With RUC you'd be better off financially running something that always consumes petrol, and for many that still doesn't sit right, it's incentivising new buyers/the market in a particular direction that's not necessarily in alignment with our climate / ghg reduction targets.

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#3244129 3-Jun-2024 19:33

I had the need to buy RUC for a dino-burner this week. It was new in 2018, but for the first time since then, the RUC label came with a plastic pouch for the window.

Guess that explains where some of the admjn fee is going - not bothering to discriminate between EV and anything else, and wasting a pouch on who-knows how many vehicles 🤦‍♂️

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#3244143 3-Jun-2024 21:24

HarmLessSolutions:

PHEVs' resale value are getting a bit hammered presently which was predictable due to their 'foot in each camp' status complicating the implementation of RUCs. If the squealing from PHEV owners is anything to go by now the rolling out of distance based RUCs across the rest of the fleet (including hybrids) that's looming on the horizon is really going to put the cat among the pidgeons.

I think there media coverage etc has overblown the PHEV issues. People with old degraded battery PHEV's complaining how badly impacted they are, deterring people from buying modern, longer range PHEV's, that do OK under the new system

Sure people don't want to get double taxed, but when they end up getting double taxed at half rates, it is actually not too bad (especially after the PHEV rate got dropped to 50% of the EV rate).

Issues with the coarseness of the system still exist. BMW i3 REX owners do extremely well under the new system, which degraded battery old Outlander PHEV owners do poorly.

Will be very interesting to see if the RUC roll out to the entire fleet actually happens. For EV's to sell in volume it needs to happen ASAP, but the likes of Toyota must be loving the current situation.

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#3244144 3-Jun-2024 21:27

Ge0rge: I had the need to buy RUC for a dino-burner this week. It was new in 2018, but for the first time since then, the RUC label came with a plastic pouch for the window.

Guess that explains where some of the admjn fee is going - not bothering to discriminate between EV and anything else, and wasting a pouch on who-knows how many vehicles 🤦‍♂️

They have obviously decided that it is cheaper / easier to just put a plastic pocket in every envelope, rather than only putting them in the initial RUC purchase ones.

I assume they will stop in a couple of weeks, but yes that was wasteful.

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