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  #3401111 8-Aug-2025 15:40
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They will also likely price into the RUC, that a lot of people won't pay them, so everyone ends up paying for thiose users as a result. People can't avoid paying with the petrol levy.

 

 

That's true of any regulated tax/levy/duty though, non-compliance always has to be accounted for. I think people are giving way too much air time to the likely cost, and all the thousands of people who are going to somehow be suddenly smart enough to bypass the system. Non-compliance will be absolute chicken feed compared to the billions in RUC revenue. As for the cost, because we will shift from the current model where we collect less and less every year from FED, to a system where (the compliant) many will share the load, it may well happen that RUC for light petrols comes in under the current FED rate, while still giving the roading fund the boost it needs. 




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  #3401113 8-Aug-2025 15:58
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Everyone knows this is a money grab by the Govt plain and simple. it will cost car owners more and the admin costs will be forced on the car owners one way or another.


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  #3401114 8-Aug-2025 16:00
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Just grabbed my "beater" car jam odometer data, to run some guesstimates with AI.

 

 

 

Toyota Platz – Road Tax Comparison (2027 RUC vs Current Petrol Tax)

 

Vehicle: 1999 Toyota Platz Annual distance (from CarJam): ~5,600 km Fuel efficiency: ~6.5 L/100 km Annual fuel use: ~364 L

 

Current petrol tax (2024): Fuel excise duty: $0.70/L Annual tax: 364 × $0.70 = $255

 

Projected RUC (2027): RUC rate: $76 per 1,000 km Annual RUC: 5.6 × $76 = $426

 

Summary:  Net change: ~67% increase

 

Verdict: Worse off under RUC, Expect to pay ~$170 more per year despite driving well below the national average.




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  #3401115 8-Aug-2025 16:01
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Everyone knows this is a money grab by the Govt plain and simple.

 

Oh I don't know that. This is a way to pay for the roads.





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  #3401116 8-Aug-2025 16:01
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I imagine it should be simple to implement this in an EFTPOS terminal.  You can already be prompted to enter your milage when paying with a fuel card, surely they could extend that to record your milage and automatically ask if you'd also like to buy some more miles.

 

 

 

 

i think that is how it will work for most people.  Log into ann app (probably the current transport one), enter odo and pay fee. Just like the current system, but with an app. Same as what we do for toll roads.

 

for fleet owners, probably an electronic device that uploads data into a fleet account. more than likely just a OBD connected gps tracker that most probably use anyhow.

 

Be interesting to see what happens when people go for a WoF and get a large bill. Or drive on a toll road and get a letter saying their RUC needs topping up.

 

I don’t see any issue with it - different rates for different types of vehicle.





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  #3401119 8-Aug-2025 16:09
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Everyone knows this is a money grab by the Govt plain and simple. it will cost car owners more and the admin costs will be forced on the car owners one way or another.

 

 

Diesel vehicle owners are  paying admin costs on RUC now,  The government have quite clearly said this is the way that road will be funded in the future, 

 

Were you hoping that the "magic money tree" would be providing funds??


 
 
 

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  #3401123 8-Aug-2025 16:18
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gregmcc:

 

Everyone knows this is a money grab by the Govt plain and simple. it will cost car owners more and the admin costs will be forced on the car owners one way or another.

 

 

Diesel vehicle owners are  paying admin costs on RUC now,  The government have quite clearly said this is the way that road will be funded in the future, 

 

Were you hoping that the "magic money tree" would be providing funds??

 

 

We all know how the govt. changes the goal posts on these things, remember the "lifetime drivers licenses" for example. this is just another cost for the overtaxed, over regulated NZ population. 


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  #3401126 8-Aug-2025 16:28
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We all know 

 

 

Stop that. You seem to like saying "Everyone knows", "We all know".

 

You are not talking on behalf of everyone.





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  #3401128 8-Aug-2025 16:34
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gregmcc:

 

We all know 

 

 

Stop that. You seem to like saying "Everyone knows", "We all know".

 

You are not talking on behalf of everyone.

 

 

I'd be inclined to agree with the general sentiment of the comment from gregmcc. You would have to be extremely naïve to believe that this change, while it has some fundamental merits, isn't going to end up with the the majority of us paying more to operate our vehicles than we were before.


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  #3401129 8-Aug-2025 16:37
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Yes, if you have a car that consumes less than 8.5l/100km (I think it is),  you are going to pay more after RUC for everyone is implemented than you are doing today.

 

But what we are getting is a more fair system for Road User Charges, where everyone pays the same per km tax.





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  #3401130 8-Aug-2025 16:38
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for the overtaxed, over regulated NZ population. 

 

 

Regarding overtaxed: NZ is one of the lower tax countries in the OECD.





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I'd be inclined to agree with the general sentiment of the comment from gregmcc. You would have to be extremely naïve to believe that this change, while it has some fundamental merits, isn't going to end up with the the majority of us paying more to operate our vehicles than we were before.

 

 

That is the whole point, so that people are paying more for it in a manner that is fair and reasonable. If they just whack the fuel tax up to cover the reduction in usage to get the petrol car fleet average back to the equivalent of what an EV or diesel pays, there would be much valid outrage from people in the less efficient cars about it, and it would penalize large families that have to drive a larger car more, who are probably the ones that can least afford it.





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  #3401140 8-Aug-2025 17:01
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cruxis:

 

Just grabbed my "beater" car jam odometer data, to run some guesstimates with AI.

 

Toyota Platz – Road Tax Comparison (2027 RUC vs Current Petrol Tax)
Vehicle: 1999 Toyota Platz Annual distance (from CarJam): ~5,600 km Fuel efficiency: ~6.5 L/100 km Annual fuel use: ~364 L
Current petrol tax (2024): Fuel excise duty: $0.70/L Annual tax: 364 × $0.70 = $255
Projected RUC (2027): RUC rate: $76 per 1,000 km Annual RUC: 5.6 × $76 = $426
Summary:  Net change: ~67% increase

 

Verdict: Worse off under RUC, Expect to pay ~$170 more per year despite driving well below the national average.

 

Honda Fit Hybrid – Road Tax Comparison (2027 RUC vs Current Petrol Tax)
Vehicle: 2016 Honda Fit Hybrid
Annual distance (from WOFs): ~9,000 km Fuel efficiency: ~4.7 L/100 km Annual fuel use: ~425 L
Current petrol tax (2024): Fuel excise duty: $0.70/L Annual tax: 425 × $0.70 = $298
Projected RUC (2027): RUC rate: $76 per 1,000 km Annual RUC: 9.0 × $76 = $684
Summary:  Net change: ~128% increase

 

Verdict: Worse off under RUC, Expect to pay ~$380 more per year despite driving below the national average.
This illustrates the advantage that a hybrid currently enjoys


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  #3401143 8-Aug-2025 17:13
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cruxis:

 

Just grabbed my "beater" car jam odometer data, to run some guesstimates with AI.

 

Toyota Platz – Road Tax Comparison (2027 RUC vs Current Petrol Tax)
Vehicle: 1999 Toyota Platz Annual distance (from CarJam): ~5,600 km Fuel efficiency: ~6.5 L/100 km Annual fuel use: ~364 L
Current petrol tax (2024): Fuel excise duty: $0.70/L Annual tax: 364 × $0.70 = $255
Projected RUC (2027): RUC rate: $76 per 1,000 km Annual RUC: 5.6 × $76 = $426
Summary:  Net change: ~67% increase

 

Verdict: Worse off under RUC, Expect to pay ~$170 more per year despite driving well below the national average.

 

Honda Fit Hybrid – Road Tax Comparison (2027 RUC vs Current Petrol Tax)
Vehicle: 2016 Honda Fit Hybrid
Annual distance (from WOFs): ~9,000 km Fuel efficiency: ~4.7 L/100 km Annual fuel use: ~425 L
Current petrol tax (2024): Fuel excise duty: $0.70/L Annual tax: 425 × $0.70 = $298
Projected RUC (2027): RUC rate: $76 per 1,000 km Annual RUC: 9.0 × $76 = $684
Summary:  Net change: ~128% increase

 

Verdict: Worse off under RUC, Expect to pay ~$380 more per year despite driving below the national average.
This illustrates the advantage that a hybrid currently enjoys

 

Any comparison that uses 70c/L National Land Transport Fund (part of FET) and $76/1,000km RUC is flawed. FET has GST added so National Land Transport Fund should be 80.5c/L whereas RUC are GST inclusive. BTW National Land Transport Fund cost is equivalent to RUCs for 9.5L/100km consumption.

 

Also this calculation assumes that petrol reduces by National Land Transport Fund with no added charge to address carbon/ETS taxation.





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cruxis:

 

Just grabbed my "beater" car jam odometer data, to run some guesstimates with AI.

 

 

 

Toyota Platz – Road Tax Comparison (2027 RUC vs Current Petrol Tax)

 

Vehicle: 1999 Toyota Platz Annual distance (from CarJam): ~5,600 km Fuel efficiency: ~6.5 L/100 km Annual fuel use: ~364 L

 

Current petrol tax (2024): Fuel excise duty: $0.70/L Annual tax: 364 × $0.70 = $255

 

Projected RUC (2027): RUC rate: $76 per 1,000 km Annual RUC: 5.6 × $76 = $426

 

Summary:  Net change: ~67% increase

 

Verdict: Worse off under RUC, Expect to pay ~$170 more per year despite driving well below the national average.

 

 

I asked AI some more questions: (Also using 70c instead of 80.5 to be consistent)

 

You'd be glad you don't own a Prius based on your numbers, A prius owner would currently be paying $141.12 in RUC (Hardly Contributing to the roads at all)
Now look at a Silverado (Not much heavier than a Polestar EV 2T vs 2.5T) Currently paying $529.20 for 5600km soon to be paying $426. Everyone will be paying the same based on Weight, how about that? Seems much fairer to me. 

 

There's a reason the roads are so crap, when the excise in petrol was set, cars were a lot less efficient. The general Idea is to generate more income so that the roads can be maintained. I am already paying $76/1000 km for my Polestar, (made me contemplate getting a prius for a couple of seconds but it wouldn't be as fun to drive.) There is a reason why the bottom dropped out of the EV market. When I use my Silverado it costs me $94.50 per 1000km, my Polestar is $76, all those Rangers that use Diesel, pay less than an equivalent sized petrol-powered vehicle, this makes it fairer for all. 

 

The only question left is whether there should be a separate RUC rate for Vehicles under 1000KG, and whether 18T trucks, which according to the fourth-power law, do 100 000 times the damage of a Toyota Platz, should be paying $7600 per KM? Maybe we should be using Trains for carting freight long distances, instead of trucks.


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