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#2337019 14-Oct-2019 20:17

It could be a big win if we execute really well and Ireland are not at their best. That is definitely possible.

The other top teams are very very good sides.

Ireland have exceptional execution of a game plan, England have the most dynamic pack in the game, Wales put together exceptional game plans and do more with less while the Springboks are back to being the most physical side in the world.

We haven't shown all our cards but none of the top teams have either. It'll come down to matchups and execution. We have definite weaknesses in the air and if we get too wide without going forward. We also have a relatively weak lineout with Savea at blindside and our scrum hasn't been great. The All Blacks will be working on plans to manage this but the other teams will have plans to exploit them.

If Murray box kicks us to death with Stockdale going over Reece consistently that would go a long way to winning the game. We have to get ahead and strangle Ireland, we can't rely on a come back.

We will not play at our best 3 games in a row. In 2011 we were exceptionally fortunate to win the final when we didn't play that well.and in 2015 it was very close against South Africa.

We're favourites but it's not a lay down mezzaire, this will be a very tough game.

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#2337024 14-Oct-2019 20:25

I suspect that in some ways Ireland will be our France, something to prove given "recent" history. The AB's deny it was a factor in their massive hiding over France last RWC but it was obvious from the first couple of minutes, as it was the first few minutes of the second Bledisloe. The AB's are a proud group and Steve Hansen's strongest suit, in my opinion, is his selections.

Every team we will face in the next few weeks has beaten us in recent memory, they all know they *can* beat us, but I am inclined to agree with Handle, that Ireland are most likely to believe more than other teams and that makes them dangerous.

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#2337055 14-Oct-2019 22:26

I watched the ABs put the Boks limping on crutches in the opening match in the last 10 mins - the entire Boks team should have been in hospital and not be on the field.

Ireland has no chance.

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#2337081 15-Oct-2019 05:54

Batman:
I watched the ABs put the Boks limping on crutches in the opening match in the last 10 mins - the entire Boks team should have been in hospital and not be on the field.

Ireland has no chance.

The Irish are masters at slowing the game down, just hope the ref doesn't stop the game each time a forward goes down before every set piece. I think we have shown we can be as physical as any side and maintain the intensity for longer.

Im hoping that the game won't be decided by a card.

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#2337082 15-Oct-2019 05:54

Batman:
I watched the ABs put the Boks limping on crutches in the opening match in the last 10 mins - the entire Boks team should have been in hospital and not be on the field.

Ireland has no chance.

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#2337083 15-Oct-2019 06:20

Bundee Aki banned for 3 games, don't think it'll make a difference though.

Waiting for the headlines saying if it was an AB he wouldnt have got the ban.

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#2337093 15-Oct-2019 07:45

throbb: Bundee Aki banned for 3 games, don't think it'll make a difference though.

Waiting for the headlines saying if it was an AB he wouldnt have got the ban.

I don't think it was even worth a yellow card, the officials/judiciary are starting to ruin the game.

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#2337137 15-Oct-2019 08:04

clevedon:

throbb: Bundee Aki banned for 3 games, don't think it'll make a difference though.

Waiting for the headlines saying if it was an AB he wouldnt have got the ban.

I don't think it was even worth a yellow card, the officials/judiciary are starting to ruin the game.

Under the current rules, it couldn't be anything but a Red card. First contact was to the head, no mitigating factors.

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#2337143 15-Oct-2019 08:11

throbb:

clevedon:

throbb: Bundee Aki banned for 3 games, don't think it'll make a difference though.

Waiting for the headlines saying if it was an AB he wouldnt have got the ban.

I don't think it was even worth a yellow card, the officials/judiciary are starting to ruin the game.

Under the current rules, it couldn't be anything but a Red card. First contact was to the head, no mitigating factors.

He had is arms wrapped around him and the tackled player was dropping. They set a precedent with Reece Hodge so there was no turning back from it now to save face, their ruining it now. Those type of tackles happen all year in Super Rugby, if those rulings flow through to next years competition, players and spectators are going to walk away from the game.

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#2337207 15-Oct-2019 09:47

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He had is arms wrapped around him and the tackled player was dropping. They set a precedent with Reece Hodge so there was no turning back from it now to save face, their ruining it now. Those type of tackles happen all year in Super Rugby, if those rulings flow through to next years competition, players and spectators are going to walk away from the game.

I watched a lot of SR this season (and the last) and I didn't see many (and none went unpunished, though usually yellow) of this severity.

Players need to adjust or face sanctions.

The amount the tackler dropped would not have made a difference to the part of the body that initial contact was made to, hence no mitigation.

I have yet to hear of a player leaving the game because they got red carded.

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#2337209 15-Oct-2019 09:48

throbb:

clevedon:

throbb: Bundee Aki banned for 3 games, don't think it'll make a difference though.

Waiting for the headlines saying if it was an AB he wouldnt have got the ban.

I don't think it was even worth a yellow card, the officials/judiciary are starting to ruin the game.

Under the current rules, it couldn't be anything but a Red card. First contact was to the head, no mitigating factors.

This. Players need to adjust. The guidelines may be reviewed at the end of the tournament but they won't be changed before it's over so they either suck it up and adjust, or suffer the consequences. Right or wrong, that's how it is.

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#2337219 15-Oct-2019 10:15

Super Rugby 2018 - 8 Red cards in 220 odd games

Super Rugby 2019 - 7 Red cards in 220 odd games

RWC 2019 - 7 Red cards in 37 games so far!

Ridiculous officiating in this World Cup and it's spoiling the game. Wait until it happens in the knockout stages then you'll here it all. The directives won't change before the end of the Cup because they've dug their own hole now.

One of the Wallabies (who wasn't carded) earlier on in the tournament said he might as well go to NRL if it carries on like this.

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#2337573 15-Oct-2019 18:07

We got Nigel Owens for our quarter final, would have been happy with any of the 4 except Jérôme Garcès.

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#2337636 15-Oct-2019 18:13

Yeah it's a good result for us. Owens and Barnes are significantly better than Pepper. Then there's Garces in a very special place reserved for French referees.

TBH I think Barnes is the best referee in the world. He's got a lot more feel for the game these days and is a very good communicator.

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#2337650 15-Oct-2019 18:29

clevedon:

Super Rugby 2018 - 8 Red cards in 220 odd games

Super Rugby 2019 - 7 Red cards in 220 odd games

RWC 2019 - 7 Red cards in 37 games so far!

Ridiculous officiating in this World Cup and it's spoiling the game. Wait until it happens in the knockout stages then you'll here it all. The directives won't change before the end of the Cup because they've dug their own hole now.

One of the Wallabies (who wasn't carded) earlier on in the tournament said he might as well go to NRL if it carries on like this.

Isnt the issue to do with OSH and not rugby? I dont see it as ridiculous officiating its about do we allow head contact or not. Someone decided not. While some refs can arguably be more zealous than others, the overriding theme is head contact is a no no. You run within whatever the rule is or you dont as I see it. And no I dont watch rugby 25/7

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