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  #2735445 27-Jun-2021 18:33
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mattwnz: I was watching parts of the standup today and the questions some of the people were asking were painful. It takes up to two weeks for people to start showing symptoms, as has been shown by people in MIQ who can test positive near the end of their stay. They have only been testing NZers for a few days yet some people suggested that it looks like no one has been infected. But testing isn’t even 100 percent accurate. Don’t think anyone asked if the bubble should be paused. But IMO Australia has a major problem and the travel bubble needs pausing imo. But I suspect they won’t do anything and we may end up with more cases in NZ. Again we seem to be trusting that people like close contacts will self isolate, when this didn’t work last year and resulted in a lockdown.

 

Honestly, it sort of defies belief it hasn't been paused. I say sort of, because in some ways it's how I expect this Government to handle things.

 

I mean, surely, SURELY it's common sense. You'd think someone might learn something from 18 months of being in charge of pandemic response.

 

They never learn.

 

 

 

 

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  #2736424 29-Jun-2021 18:27
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Quote from unhappy NZer stuck in Queensland on TV3 news tonight: “you know the risks when you come over here, but did’t expect it to be so long”

 

So, with delta going nuts across the ditch, news tonight govt are looking to reopen some of the bubble in a few days so we can have more quotes like above at best, Delta at worst. Madness.


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  #2739348 5-Jul-2021 23:09
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Press release:

 

 

  • Quarantine free travel (QFT) pause with Western Australia and Northern Territory to be lifted at 11.59pm (NZT) Friday, 9 July
  • Managed return flights from NSW and Queensland for people ordinarily resident* in New Zealand to start from 11.59pm (NZT), Friday 9 July
  • Pause between New Zealand and Queensland to be reviewed on Wednesday, 7 July

The Government has today carefully considered health advice and will further ease Australia travel bubble restrictions at 11.59pm (NZT) Friday, 9 July, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins says. 

 

“Officials have assessed that the spread of COVID-19 cases appears to have been contained in Western Australia and Northern Territory, that there is robust surveillance, testing and contact tracing to detect and manage cases, and adequate border controls are in place to prevent the spread of new cases,” Chris Hipkins said.    

 

“Based on this advice, Cabinet has today agreed that passengers can resume travel between New Zealand and Western Australia and Northern Territory from Saturday morning, 10 July, subject to strict conditions that will minimise the risk of COVID-19 spreading to New Zealand.

 

“Conditions include a negative pre-departure test result from a test taken within three days before departure – this is already a requirement for all travel from Australia to New Zealand.

 

“Travellers must not also have previously been in New South Wales or Queensland on or after 10:30pm (NZT) on 26 June. If they have been at a location of interest before then, they will not be able to travel to New Zealand for 14 days since they were last at that location.

 

Travellers must also:

 

  • follow the current public health measures in place
  • wear face coverings on the aircraft and at the airport
  • make a health declaration
  • self isolate and be tested immediately if they have any symptoms of illness.

“They should download the COVID tracer app and may be subject to random temperature checks.”

 

The pause with South Australia, ACT, Tasmania and Victoria lifted this morning.

 

Travel from NSW and Queensland

 

“QFT with Australia is important for both countries but only when it is safe. That’s why decisions are made for each state or territory,” Chris Hipkins said.

 

“Officials’ current assessment is that it’s too soon to make a call to lift the pause between New Zealand and Queensland, and as an extra precaution they want to see two or three more days’ worth of data. The pause between New Zealand and NSW will continue until further notice.

 

“The Government is, however, extremely mindful there will be people currently in NSW and Queensland that are ordinarily resident in New Zealand who are desperate to know when they can return and what steps they need to take.

 

“Managed return flights from NSW and Queensland for those eligible will start from 11.59pm (NZT), Friday 9 July, subject to conditions.

 

“The introduction of these managed return flights will be similar to how we managed the return of travellers following the Victorian lockdown. Further details of the conditions will be issued tomorrow morning.”

 

Notes:

 

*Travellers eligible for managed return flights are:

 

  • New Zealand citizens and holders of residence class visas;
  • Holders of temporary visas and Australian citizens, who last departed New Zealand after 5 April 2021;
  • Holders of current permanent residence visas (including a resident return visa) issued by the Government of Australia who last departed New Zealand after 5 April 2021; and
  • Relevant family members of people listed above.





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  #2739350 5-Jul-2021 23:33
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The game of Russian Roulette starts again. IMO it is only a matter of time before we get another case from Oz. They know they have concerns over their MIQ

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  #2739420 6-Jul-2021 07:12
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mattwnz: The game of Russian Roulette starts again. IMO it is only a matter of time before we get another case from Oz. They know they have concerns over their MIQ

 

More akin to a calculated risk and we can contain it here if need be, to satisfy friends and family (the economic impact is widely seen as a waste of time in articles Ive read)

 

So not Russian Roulette, although my opinion is to flag the bubble for just a few months when both countries are more vaccinated so we then only allow vaccinated travel (which is still a risk) which is the end game anyway

 

Or we re manage our economy to exclude incoming tourism for the next few years?


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  #2739508 6-Jul-2021 10:12
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tdgeek:

 

mattwnz: The game of Russian Roulette starts again. IMO it is only a matter of time before we get another case from Oz. They know they have concerns over their MIQ

 

More akin to a calculated risk and we can contain it here if need be, to satisfy friends and family (the economic impact is widely seen as a waste of time in articles Ive read)

 

So not Russian Roulette

 

 

Russian roulette, pure and simple. Anecdotally, it's in every state of Australia and we will be shipping in hundreds of passengers every day.

 

At a time we have one of the lowest vaccination rates in the world.

 

We should hunker down for the next few months and focus on vaccinations, then think about the wider world.


 
 
 
 

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  #2739514 6-Jul-2021 10:21
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dafman:

 

Russian roulette, pure and simple. Anecdotally, it's in every state of Australia and we will be shipping in hundreds of passengers every day.

 

At a time we have one of the lowest vaccination rates in the world.

 

We should hunker down for the next few months and focus on vaccinations, then think about the wider world.

 

 

I agree with your last point, but its not Russian Roulette. The bubble start 19th April, they had various outbreaks and leaks, it didnt get here. Had it got here, thats a known risk, one worth taking apparently. MIQ is arguably Russian Roulette as well, also a known risk, but everyone does that


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  #2739615 6-Jul-2021 11:06
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I agree with your last point, but its not Russian Roulette. The bubble start 19th April, they had various outbreaks and leaks, it didnt get here. Had it got here, thats a known risk, one worth taking apparently. MIQ is arguably Russian Roulette as well, also a known risk, but everyone does that

 

 

There's way more community spread in Australia currently than on 19 April.


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  #2739616 6-Jul-2021 11:12
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tdgeek:

 

I agree with your last point, but its not Russian Roulette. The bubble start 19th April, they had various outbreaks and leaks, it didnt get here. Had it got here, thats a known risk, one worth taking apparently. MIQ is arguably Russian Roulette as well, also a known risk, but everyone does that

 

 

There's way more community spread in Australia currently than on 19 April.

 

 

What is it now in VIC, ACT and SA?


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  #2739617 6-Jul-2021 11:18
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dafman:

 

... Anecdotally, it's in every state of Australia ...

 

 

You have a source to back up this claim?

 

According to https://covidlive.com.au/ it is almost 2 months since the last local case in ACT, and almost a year since the last one in Tasmania.  


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  #2739620 6-Jul-2021 11:23
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tdgeek:

 

dafman:

 

...

 

There's way more community spread in Australia currently than on 19 April.

 

 

What is it now in VIC, ACT and SA?

 

 

 

 

VIC - 6 days since last local case

 

ACT - almost two months

 

SA - 3 days (as of a day ago - yesterday's figures still to be released)

 

 

 

Edit: 'local case' here includes interstate, so the above may overstate true local infections


 
 
 

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  #2739621 6-Jul-2021 11:27
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That's pretty good


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  #2739634 6-Jul-2021 11:48
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There is no Trans Tasman bubble now, its just three states that DS has advised the current CT status. You need to trim that graph to show the stats for the days when the bubble was open for each state


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  #2739657 6-Jul-2021 12:20
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231 cases in VIC/SA/ACT yesterday? thats a lot. Id imagine they are Sydney

 

 

 

This seems lower that what you say is manageable

 

VIC - 6 days since last local case

 

ACT - almost two months

 

SA - 3 days (as of a day ago - yesterday's figures still to be released)

 

 

 

 

 

Dont get me wrong I am not in favour of the bubble, it has not provided an economic outcome, it is providing something for family, but better to wait till both are all vaccinated. Its been 18 months, whats another 6?


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  #2739689 6-Jul-2021 13:29
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That graph is 2020. Victorias' catastrophe.


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