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#2694966 19-Apr-2021 18:48

Stu: Rather envious of some on the news tonight. It was actually difficult to watch. Haven't seen our son for over two years now. Being that he's in the UK it'll probably be, at the very least, another year before we meet up again.

Yeah I had a similar reaction but from the other side of course. I'd guess it'll be 2 1/2 - 3 years of not seeing my direct family in NZ.

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#2694970 19-Apr-2021 18:52

It's not easy, but it is what it is. Whatcha gonna do? Blimmin Covid...

People often mistake me for an adult because of my age.

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#2694971 19-Apr-2021 18:55

Stu: It's not easy, but it is what it is. Whatcha gonna do? Blimmin Covid...

My 9 year old, who asks every week when we are going to be able to see her grand parents again, puts it quite well.... "COVID STINKS!"

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#2694977 19-Apr-2021 19:03

Handle9:
Eva888:

So hard for those in countries that are excluded but, at least the option of managed isolation is still available and most likely there will be far more spaces now and easier to book them.

MIQ capacity is reduced by ~50% so no it's not a lot easier and still remains totally impractical for most. You get that on the big jobs.

Oh no! That’s so sad for everyone. What’s depressing is that the vaccine doesn’t seem to be enough to turn this awful situation around either. So hard for so many.

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#2695116 20-Apr-2021 07:57

Eva888:

Oh no! That’s so sad for everyone. What’s depressing is that the vaccine doesn’t seem to be enough to turn this awful situation around either. So hard for so many.

Not just MIQ capacity. With Green Zone flights now being a thing, the airlines have severely reduced or even eliminated running Red Zone flights, meaning it is near impossible to even get a seat on a plane, let alone the hotel room when you arrive. That applies equally to both Australia and New Zealand.

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#2695152 20-Apr-2021 08:56

A couple of concerning elements. Journalists on the first day aside, there should be very few flying AKL-SYD-AKL as a 'single flight leg', hence being a transit passenger in Sydney. But still posed a risk to NZ from this case (or these cases, of other journalists did the same?)

Second issue is the non-Green zone aircrew being escorted through the Green zone

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/124887183/red-zone-roulette--how-a-bubble-flight-to-sydney-took-a-surprising-twist

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#2695161 20-Apr-2021 09:11

Would have thought there were possibly subtler / more considered ways of putting it?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/124884650/vodafone-warns-employment-may-be-terminated-if-workers-stranded-during-personal-transtasman-travel

Guess it depends what they mean by an “extended period”. Likelihood of being stranded for more than 4 - 5 weeks would seem remote.

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#2695189 20-Apr-2021 10:27

Stu: Rather envious of some on the news tonight. It was actually difficult to watch. Haven't seen our son for over two years now. Being that he's in the UK it'll probably be, at the very least, another year before we meet up again.

Same here, I haven't seen my parents back home in France for 2.5 years now :( Probably be at least another year til I get there, at the earliest.

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#2695198 20-Apr-2021 11:07

jen1001:

Stu: Haven't seen our son for over two years now. Being that he's in the UK it'll probably be, at the very least, another year before we meet up again.

Same here, I haven't seen my parents back home in France for 2.5 years now :( Probably be at least another year til I get there, at the earliest.

Maybe I'm being insensitive (for which I might (recursively) blame lack of contact with my grandparents), but for many people this is relatively insignificant.

For example, my parents and I immigrated to NZ in 1960. Since then, I've seen each set of my grandparents once (and one set I have no memory of at all). At most, my grandparents saw their NZ children perhaps once per decade. And at that time, international toll calls were impossibly expensive, and of course there was no Internet. So international contact was limited to written letters and an occasional photograph, with weeks of transit time.

Yeah, I know. I'm being a G.O.B., and the world has changed, and (thankfully) we don't have to live like that now.

But is it a millennial thing for children to return home every year or two? My view of the great OE was that you left NZ for a year or two (or 3 or 4 or whatever or forever-except-an-occasional-holiday).

Mind you, I have a distant (but much younger) cousin who, when she got married, couldn't move 20km to another village because it was too far from her mother.

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#2695263 20-Apr-2021 13:07

frankv:

Mind you, I have a distant (but much younger) cousin who, when she got married, couldn't move 20km to another village because it was too far from her mother.

I remember reading a report - in the 1990s I think - on the costs of moving a business in England.

If you were going to move your business more than quite a short distance, maybe 20-30km, you would expect that half your staff would not move with you, and half of the remainder would quit and go to a new job within eighteen months of the move.
So, 25% staff retention over eighteen months was the expectation.
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Edit: spelling

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#2695270 20-Apr-2021 13:29

frankv:

But is it a millennial thing for children to return home every year or two? My view of the great OE was that you left NZ for a year or two (or 3 or 4 or whatever or forever-except-an-occasional-holiday).

Its simply a function of growing up in the golden age of cheap mass global air travel.... Decades ago round the world fares cost a small fortune, and before that a large fortune...

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#2695304 20-Apr-2021 15:05

DS248:

A couple of concerning elements. Journalists on the first day aside, there should be very few flying AKL-SYD-AKL as a 'single flight leg', hence being a transit passenger in Sydney. But still posed a risk to NZ from this case (or these cases, of other journalists did the same?)

Second issue is the non-Green zone aircrew being escorted through the Green zone

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/124887183/red-zone-roulette--how-a-bubble-flight-to-sydney-took-a-surprising-twist

I'm aware of multiple multiple who did same day returns yesterday - both Aussie to NZ and NZ to Aussie.

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#2695335 20-Apr-2021 15:46

Aaaaaaand a border worker tests COVID positive in Auckland. That was fast.

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#2695344 20-Apr-2021 16:04

frankv:
Maybe I'm being insensitive (for which I might (recursively) blame lack of contact with my grandparents), but for many people this is relatively insignificant.

For example, my parents and I immigrated to NZ in 1960. Since then, I've seen each set of my grandparents once (and one set I have no memory of at all). At most, my grandparents saw their NZ children perhaps once per decade. And at that time, international toll calls were impossibly expensive, and of course there was no Internet. So international contact was limited to written letters and an occasional photograph, with weeks of transit time.

Yeah, I know. I'm being a G.O.B., and the world has changed, and (thankfully) we don't have to live like that now.

But is it a millennial thing for children to return home every year or two? My view of the great OE was that you left NZ for a year or two (or 3 or 4 or whatever or forever-except-an-occasional-holiday).

Mind you, I have a distant (but much younger) cousin who, when she got married, couldn't move 20km to another village because it was too far from her mother.

I guess it depends on you. I went to boarding school at the age of 7 and a half. So did my brothers. We were away from home 36 weeks a year from that point onwards for the rest of our academic life.

We saw our parents about once either side of half term for a day and at half term for 4 days. We weren’t allowed to phone them (or they us unless it was an emergency) and we were required to write letters home on Sunday mornings each week. Obviously no email or SMS.

Consequently none of us are particularly bothered about visiting parents. All my grandparents were dead by the time I was 13 or so and we probably saw them once a year.

I therefore have no understanding of the modern attachment scenario. My great great grandfather served in India. He left aged 21 when he finished at Oxford and did not set foot in Britain again until he retired at 65.

I guess it’s what you’re used to.

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#2695347 20-Apr-2021 16:09

frankv:

Maybe I'm being insensitive (for which I might (recursively) blame lack of contact with my grandparents), but for many people this is relatively insignificant.

For example, my parents and I immigrated to NZ in 1960. Since then, I've seen each set of my grandparents once (and one set I have no memory of at all). At most, my grandparents saw their NZ children perhaps once per decade. And at that time, international toll calls were impossibly expensive, and of course there was no Internet. So international contact was limited to written letters and an occasional photograph, with weeks of transit time.

Yeah, I know. I'm being a G.O.B., and the world has changed, and (thankfully) we don't have to live like that now.

But is it a millennial thing for children to return home every year or two? My view of the great OE was that you left NZ for a year or two (or 3 or 4 or whatever or forever-except-an-occasional-holiday).

Mind you, I have a distant (but much younger) cousin who, when she got married, couldn't move 20km to another village because it was too far from her mother.

For most people it is significant.

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