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#2310597 4-Sep-2019 13:27

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Turns out almost all of the criticism of Kiwibuild over multiple campaigns was valid, despite the insistence that it was sound by multiple Labour Party leaders - including the current PM.

If a private company had promised this in a prospectus with so many question marks hanging over it, the SFO would be involved.

Not sure why Twyford is still a Minister....appalling really.

Because Jacinda Ardern doesn't actually understand the meaning of the words transparency, or accountability. Curran had to resign, Arden wouldn't fire her despite it being obvious to pretty much everyone it was untenable.

What's even worse about Twyford, despite it being patently obvious he was grossly out of his depth, Ardern has given him transport to manage, because, it's an even bigger headache and he did such a great job with everything else.

Ardern really has no clue when it comes to people management. She wants to emulate Helen Clarke, but no chance Clarke would have stood for this level of incompetence.

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#2310608 4-Sep-2019 13:36

If I were a Labour MP who had repeated the now-accepted-as-fantasy of 100,000 houses over ten years over the last decade, then I'd be feeling pretty sheepish right about now.

Face it, Labour didn't care enough to come up with a realistic solution to the housing crisis. They just came up with a solution to getting elected.

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#2310611 4-Sep-2019 13:41

GV27:

If I were a Labour MP who had repeated the now-accepted-as-fantasy of 100,000 houses over ten years over the last decade, then I'd be feeling pretty sheepish right about now.

Face it, Labour didn't care enough to come up with a realistic solution to the housing crisis. They just came up with a solution to getting elected.

I maintain they didn't believe for a second they couldn't even get close to elected, which is why things have been so rubbish so far. I maintain Jacinda would have been far better as Labour leader in opposition for one more term, where she would have time to come to terms with the responsibilities of leadership.

Sheepish doesn't even remotely cover how bad they should feel for Kiwibuild. At least Curran had the good sense and class to resign. There are probably 4 current ministers in this coalition who should be gone, Twyford and Jones in first and second place.

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#2310645 4-Sep-2019 14:20

A reminder:

https://www.labour.org.nz/housing

Build 100,000 affordable homes across the country

Labour’s KiwiBuild programme will build 100,000 high quality, affordable homes over 10 years, with 50% of them in Auckland. Standalone houses in Auckland will cost $500,000 to $600,000, with apartments and townhouses under $500,000. Outside Auckland, houses will range from $300,000 to $500,000.

Frankly I am amazed this is even still up on their website.

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#2310646 4-Sep-2019 14:21

Wasn't this meant to be the most transparent and honest government EVER?

I am also very disappointed in how Transport is panning out. Simply shelving large roading infrastructure projects is short sighted, considering the growth on our roads.

The promised cancer solution whilst is better than we currently have is disappointing to me. Labour could have done much much more and it is something most NZers are demanding. Increasing Pharmacs budget by 20M/annum is nothing when they have a 1bn per annum budget. Pharmac were poorly done by under National, but Labour isnt correcting the shortfall at all.

I am so disappointed in this government considering their achievements divided by their promises.

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#2310650 4-Sep-2019 14:34

So what we do get is just a result of National applying pressure and making related policy announcements, while we don't get what was actually promised during the campaign because you can't actually expect that and we should just be cool with precisely zero flagship policies being delivered.

It's not quite a Bush-style stolen election, but it seems pretty damn close.

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#2310651 4-Sep-2019 14:36

Heard it all before, over and over and over. You need to find a new hammer.

According to the latest Kiwibuild reset, the government is trying to learn from its mistakes. Don't know what is so terrible about that. If Ardern had gone into opposition, the country would be covered with multi-lane carriageways by now, which along with more cows, seems to be National's answer to everything.

Here where I live, our local (National) MP keeps running front page ads with Bridges next to him promising to undo the government's vocational education changes which affect our Eastern Institute of Technology.

If a political party can come up with no policy other than the dismantling of another's policy, then it is bankrupt of ideas and has no business trying to govern at all. A government that cannot see further than simply undoing what a previous government has done, is a hollow knee-jerk reactionary political shell bereft of ideas. I will gladly take what we currently have, failures and all, above that.

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#2310652 4-Sep-2019 14:37

They are creating an issue for the not too distant future with GP's where behind the scenes they are putting more and more on GP's without increasing their remuneration. In the past 2 years there have been an unprecedented number of retirements, not just of our older GP's who are deciding to go earlier than they had originally intended, and the ones who are retiring in due course, but also younger GP's who have decided enough is enough and leaving general practice for other areas of medicine. Practices are shutting down entirely which is putting pressure on other practices.

Doctors are being pressured to get consults done faster and faster, which is ultimately providing a lower level of care.

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#2310658 4-Sep-2019 14:48

Rikkitic:

According to the latest Kiwibuild reset, the government is trying to learn from its mistakes. Don't know what is so terrible about that. If Ardern had gone into opposition, the country would be covered with multi-lane carriageways by now, which along with more cows, seems to be National's answer to everything.

Finally, I get to call someone else in this thread for whataboutism.

Labour's failure to deliver the policy they repeatedly insisted over three election campaigns was possible has literally nothing to do with National.

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#2310660 4-Sep-2019 14:50

Rikkitic:

If a political party can come up with no policy other than the dismantling of another's policy, then it is bankrupt of ideas and has no business trying to govern at all. A government that cannot see further than simply undoing what a previous government has done, is a hollow knee-jerk reactionary political shell bereft of ideas. I will gladly take what we currently have, failures and all, above that.

That isn't really saying much since you've made clear over and over, that you'd vote this way regardless of what chaos ensues as a result.

You might want to check and see how much of the coalitions policies are undoing what was already planned or done by the prior before crowing about that.

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#2310661 4-Sep-2019 14:51

It's also entirely unclear that they have learned from their mistakes at all, and most sensible people would have pulled the pin on this plan long before the long awaited "reset". It should have been "reset" a long time before that.

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#2310663 4-Sep-2019 14:56

Rikkitic:

If a political party can come up with no policy other than the dismantling of another's policy, then it is bankrupt of ideas and has no business trying to govern at all.

Remember when Labour spent years railing against the Nats for 'doing nothing about housing' while holding them to account against a fantastical policy they insisted they would execute which was totally baseless and undeliverable?

Because that's what this about.

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#2310687 4-Sep-2019 15:41

networkn:

That isn't really saying much since you've made clear over and over, that you'd vote this way regardless of what chaos ensues as a result.

Since we are being clear, you are misquoting me slightly. What I have said, repeatedly, is that I cannot conceive of any circumstance under which I would vote for a National-led coalition. I don't like their policies, I don't like their people, and I don't like their philosophy.

That is not to say I am in love with Labour, or any coalition led by it. One of my complaints is the lack of real political choice available. I am not a fan of this government. I just dislike it less than the alternative. I wish that wasn't the case. I wish there was a better alternative, but this is a small country and we seem to suffer from a limited talent pool.

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#2310699 4-Sep-2019 16:04

Perhaps it is time for you moaners to list all the things that this government has done to affect you personally. All political parties make errors or do things we don't agree with. I am amazed at how much time some of you spend on Social Media Why don't you go an volunteer your service to help others instead of bitching all the time or make yourselves available for a political party. 20,000 posts on this site must work out at hundred of hours of time. Not many working people could do this. Also look at some of the good things that have happened. From someone who has low standards???

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#2310705 4-Sep-2019 16:17

Personally I voted for them based on their campaign of clean rivers and helping the poor people. They have done some stuff to help poor people so I give them a half mark for that. As far as I can tell they have done nothing for rivers or the rest of the environment and they have done a whole bunch of stuff that they didn't campaign on. Despite the fact that Bridges has the charisma of a rock and that a vote for national is a vote against clean rivers I am going to vote ACT\National next time. ACT appear to be the only ones talking about free speech. If we continue to loose that then we have nothing and you just have to look at Hong Kong to see how that goes.

This must be how Americans feel. Trying to find the least harmful idiot to vote for. At least we get two votes.

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