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#2311613 6-Sep-2019 09:45

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This will go down like a lead balloon

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/115557352/government-to-get-tough-on-farming-and-councils-by-regulating-for-water

Climate Change and cleaning up so called Green NZ will cause conflict, it will be ongoing. What do you do? Og nice it and add more filth, or clean it up and swim in rivers, and have a healthy water eco system back?

No wrong or right answer, but I;d hope we go the clean way, and innovate the farming sector where we can.

I am sure I can find a lot of businesses who would be far more profitable if they could only just pollute.

I am sure if I went along to a farm and started tipping my rubbish onto their land the farmer would be there in a flash demanding I clean up my mess. All anyone is asking is that farmers take responsibility for their own rubbish, having it spill into waterways or into the air is not a solution, it does not just magic away.

No business or business model has been guaranteed profitability, if its more profitable to grow trees than cattle, then that's what you need to do. But again forest needs to clean up its act so that all the waste wood does not get flushed into rivers during storms.

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#2311616 6-Sep-2019 10:01

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I will confidently predict aggressive tax cuts from National.

Yes - you're right. But the books are looking good enough for Labour to also offer tax cuts, so long as one was to ignore warning signals about the global economy.

I do not believe that National would be on a winner by offering tax cuts that would be seen to favour the wealthy over the middle classes / poor.

I for one do not want tax a tax cut. I want a good education system, an excellent health system, access to leading edge pharmaceuticals. I want our infrastructure to be modernised, roads, rail, public transport.

These things take money, $20 a week extra to me will do nothing, but times that by 2 Million people and $40 Million a week will do a LOT.

It wont happen. The only positive I see is that the state of our public health system could well be a huge election issue next year...There is no doubt that its now in a far worse state than it was 2 years ago. Infrastructure plans have been shelved over the last 2 years and it has nothing to do with money as most of the new roads planned were already funded.

I agree strongly with your post.

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#2311618 6-Sep-2019 10:12

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It wont happen. The only positive I see is that the state of our public health system could well be a huge election issue next year...There is no doubt that its now in a far worse state than it was 2 years ago. Infrastructure plans have been shelved over the last 2 years and it has nothing to do with money as most of the new roads planned were already funded.

I agree strongly with your post.

Money has gone to health so elective has been supported as well as other previously non electives. I seriously dont its gone backwards. As you know there are several transport moves that are still under design and planning decisions. But ye I also agree strongly

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#2311635 6-Sep-2019 10:40

In my opinion and not disagreeing with criticism of funding of health, environment, infrastructure spending, these are easy targets that could be the downfall of the present government, but beware what you get as an alternative.

National under Bridges seems to be significantly further to the authoritarian right than the Key government on social issues, less secular, and extremely vague on economic policy - except for placing tax cuts on the table.

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#2311637 6-Sep-2019 10:40

I agree we do not as a country need tax cuts, but neither do we require more taxation either.

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#2311650 6-Sep-2019 11:20

How can you rule out future taxes in blanket fashion when you don't know what future needs are going to be? There are lots of important things to be done that already do not have sufficient funding.

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#2311653 6-Sep-2019 11:22

Rikkitic:

How can you rule out future taxes in blanket fashion when you don't know what future needs are going to be? There are lots of important things to be done that already do not have sufficient funding.

How can you rule out tax cuts in blanket fashion when you don't know what our future financial situation will be?

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#2311655 6-Sep-2019 11:24

There hasn't been any increase in Income Tax or GST, so I dont see the issue. There has been the famous Auckland Fuel Tax but its not really a tax, its a levy on users to help fund congestion issues. It would be fine if they cancelled that, and thus reduced the AKL funds for congestion issues, but that doesn't help AKL. Fine also if they added some cents per litre nationally

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#2311657 6-Sep-2019 11:25

Fred99: In my opinion and not disagreeing with criticism of funding of health, environment, infrastructure spending, these are easy targets that could be the downfall of the present government, but beware what you get as an alternative.

Current practice seems to be abolish any targets you can't be confident you'll measure up to.

Frankly that's as reckless as the idiots who insist government has to run like a business.

You know, like all those other businesses turning over $260 billion dollars in NZ.

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#2311661 6-Sep-2019 11:28

networkn:

I agree we do not as a country need tax cuts, but neither do we require more taxation either.

I agree, but with a big proviso.

If wealth inequality as opposed to just income inequality is a root cause of the multi-generational problems that we as a society seem to be incapable of fixing by either throwing increasing amounts of money at it - or on the other hand adopting a "tough love" approach, then the whole tax structure needs to be reformed.

I believe it does, but it's an extremely unpopular concept - ask Gareth Morgan.

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#2311663 6-Sep-2019 11:30

Rather than tax cuts per se, I'd be in favour of adjustments to the thresholds.

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#2311664 6-Sep-2019 11:31

networkn:

Rikkitic:

How can you rule out future taxes in blanket fashion when you don't know what future needs are going to be? There are lots of important things to be done that already do not have sufficient funding.

How can you rule out tax cuts in blanket fashion when you don't know what our future financial situation will be?

Upcoming GFC aside, NZ is a long way from being sorted, and therefore has spare income to distribute back. I cant see that changing, we are always behind the 8 ball. However, personal tax rates need to be inflation adjusted annually. Govts need to suck that up for sure

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#2311673 6-Sep-2019 11:34

networkn:

How can you rule out tax cuts in blanket fashion when you don't know what our future financial situation will be?

If a tax cut makes life better for the majority of New Zealanders without any hidden repercussions, I am all for it.

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#2311757 6-Sep-2019 14:09

Rikkitic:

How can you rule out future taxes in blanket fashion when you don't know what future needs are going to be? There are lots of important things to be done that already do not have sufficient funding.

We are already one of the highest taxed countries in the western world. Remember the last election...."No New Taxes". We have had so many new taxes/charges already within the first 2 years. I am all for putting some checks and balances on National Super to send some extra money to the Health system. It is simply wrong that every person over 65 receives National Super as well as the winter heating supplement.

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#2311771 6-Sep-2019 14:13

Mahon:

I am all for putting some checks and balances on National Super to send some extra money to the Health system. It is simply wrong that every person over 65 receives National Super as well as the winter heating supplement.

Unfortunately New Zealand law dictates you support super for all if you want to form a government, regardless of what you might have said or done in opposition.

I don't make the rules, take it up with the GG.

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