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#2313627 9-Sep-2019 15:48
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Fred99:

 

freitasm:

 

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Note that this has been posted here by someone frequently posting about owning expensive stuff and living an expensive lifestyle. Shame.

 

 

How is this relevant? This comment is completely uncalled for.

 

 

It's absolutely relevant because people who own expensive stuff and live expensive lifestyles should not in my opinion be complaining about policies that have been set in place to try to reverse growing multi-generational inequality of access to education - and lack of family wealth has been identified as the most significant barrier.

 

Especially when they then make elitist slurs against recipients of a very much needed system by tarring them with the usual poor-blaming "people don't value things that they get for free" - as if that was relevant or true.

 

 

You know next to nothing about me, about where I've come from, or how I got where I am, and at the same time, have made a massive group of assumptions which proves the old adage about assumptions.

 

If you bothered to do your homework, you'd see I don't have a problem with the base of the policy itself (or in fact many social policies), but rather about it's execution, which is often my criticism of this Government and it's policies.

 

 




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  #2313631 9-Sep-2019 15:54
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Blaming the children and punishing them for choices the parents made has never made sense to me.

 

 

I agree.


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  #2313899 10-Sep-2019 07:34
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Jones could take a leaf from here, pun not intended

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/115647623/honda-new-zealand-is-even-greener-than-you-think

 

Many hands make light work.  I can guarantee you that there are huge numbers of eco concerned people and kids and businesses who would each do their bit, and across all of NZ to get the trees planed




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  #2313963 10-Sep-2019 08:45
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Jones could take a leaf from here, pun not intended

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/115647623/honda-new-zealand-is-even-greener-than-you-think

 

Many hands make light work.  I can guarantee you that there are huge numbers of eco concerned people and kids and businesses who would each do their bit, and across all of NZ to get the trees planed

 

 

You could cover our whole country in trees and it would make no difference to climate change....


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  #2313964 10-Sep-2019 08:50
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Mahon:

 

tdgeek:

 

Jones could take a leaf from here, pun not intended

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/115647623/honda-new-zealand-is-even-greener-than-you-think

 

Many hands make light work.  I can guarantee you that there are huge numbers of eco concerned people and kids and businesses who would each do their bit, and across all of NZ to get the trees planed

 

 

You could cover our whole country in trees and it would make no difference to climate change....

 

 

However, doing nothing is still worse.

 

 


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  #2313966 10-Sep-2019 08:53
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Mahon:

 

tdgeek:

 

Jones could take a leaf from here, pun not intended

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/115647623/honda-new-zealand-is-even-greener-than-you-think

 

Many hands make light work.  I can guarantee you that there are huge numbers of eco concerned people and kids and businesses who would each do their bit, and across all of NZ to get the trees planed

 

 

You could cover our whole country in trees and it would make no difference to climate change....

 

 

Is that so?

 

Adding ONE tree would make a difference. Adding one billion will as well. Covering NZ in trees would as well, to the extent of 5% of the effect of the Amazon.

 

Its attitudes like that, that mean the end of humans. #headinsand


 
 
 

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  #2313970 10-Sep-2019 08:58
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Getting rid of some humans, or at least preventing many more, would be a MUCH more effective method of contributing to climate change.


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  #2313977 10-Sep-2019 09:03
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Mahon:

 

tdgeek:

 

Jones could take a leaf from here, pun not intended

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/115647623/honda-new-zealand-is-even-greener-than-you-think

 

Many hands make light work.  I can guarantee you that there are huge numbers of eco concerned people and kids and businesses who would each do their bit, and across all of NZ to get the trees planed

 

 

You could cover our whole country in trees and it would make no difference to climate change....

 

 

Is that so?

 

Adding ONE tree would make a difference. Adding one billion will as well. Covering NZ in trees would as well, to the extent of 5% of the effect of the Amazon.

 

Its attitudes like that, that mean the end of humans. #headinsand

 

 

I stand by my statement. In fact it would probably add to climate change as we would need to import all our food etc. The real culprit just keeps on importing more and more fossil fuels and burns them. Very few actually understand just how bad it is in some countries as the scale of environmental abuse is off the charts. 


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  #2313980 10-Sep-2019 09:05
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networkn:

 

Getting rid of some humans, or at least preventing many more, would be a MUCH more effective method of contributing to climate change.

 

 

And who gets to decide who can have children and who can not, or who will live and who will not ?


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  #2313981 10-Sep-2019 09:05
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networkn:

 

Getting rid of some humans, or at least preventing many more, would be a MUCH more effective method of contributing to climate change.

 

 

Perhaps not getting rid of some humans, but population controls would be a big part of the solution.


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  #2313984 10-Sep-2019 09:06
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networkn:

 

Getting rid of some humans, or at least preventing many more, would be a MUCH more effective method of contributing to climate change.

 

 

And who gets to decide who can have children and who can not, or who will live and who will not ?

 

 

I could offer a couple of methods, but it would be against the forum rules and you wouldnt like it.


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  #2313987 10-Sep-2019 09:10
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Mahon:

 

sir1963:

 

networkn:

 

Getting rid of some humans, or at least preventing many more, would be a MUCH more effective method of contributing to climate change.

 

 

And who gets to decide who can have children and who can not, or who will live and who will not ?

 

 

I could offer a couple of methods, but it would be against the forum rules and you wouldnt like it.

 

 

Are we about to invoke Godwins law ? Because any solution you are likely to come forward with is likely no better.


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  #2313988 10-Sep-2019 09:13
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networkn:

 

Getting rid of some humans, or at least preventing many more, would be a MUCH more effective method of contributing to climate change.

 

 

That would be effective but hardly viable. Managing population growth is too late now


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  #2313991 10-Sep-2019 09:17
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networkn:

 

Getting rid of some humans, or at least preventing many more, would be a MUCH more effective method of contributing to climate change.

 

 

And who gets to decide who can have children and who can not, or who will live and who will not ?

 

 

The Government, who else?

 

The getting rid of existing people was a little tongue in cheek, but the limiting families to 2 kids wouldn't be a terrible idea at this point, surely.

 

No matter how many trees we plant, humans are by far the biggest problem, it's time to start considering measures by which the world population stops exploding at the rate it has.

 

I have young kids, this would affect them, and I'm ok with that. I imagine they would be ok with it too.

 

 

 

 


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If you bothered to do your homework, you'd see I don't have a problem with the base of the policy itself (or in fact many social policies), but rather about it's execution, which is often my criticism of this Government and it's policies.

 

 

So - suggest what could be improved with the execution of that policy.  The article you posted was beyond "political spin",  and because it stated "as fact" unverifiable data, was effectively "fake news" and nothing more than an attempted but poorly executed hatchet job. 

 

Drop-out rate decreased since fees free scheme introduced - NZ Union of Students’ Association president

 

So there you have an opposite view. I wouldn't take that claim (reduction of drop out rate) as gospel either, but at least someone has done their homework and there's discussion about the broad concepts and complexities. I suppose some people won't bother to listen to that, because they think "Campbell is a commo". If so, we're heading toward idiocracy.

 

Education is always contentious, some of the reforms being condemned by National now are a direct continuation of a review process commenced by the last National government. National under Bridges seem to have taken a hard right turn against the legacy of the Key government, are campaigning negatively - bereft of any ideas at all as to what their workable alternatives may be. When they use "fake news" as they have in this case - I shake my head.

 

 

 

 


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