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#2173073 4-Feb-2019 20:28

UK has just decriminalised Cannabis. AU ACT state, which allows you to carry 50gms or less or 4 plants but will give a spot fine of $100, it is 1 vote away from the greens to making it completely legal. Keeping people out of the criminal system. In the UK its on the spot warning now. Similar to one state AU I think which has 3 warnings but also has a small fine.

Either way 2 more countries getting closer to closing the madness on MJ. I cant believe the SAFAs beat us to it lol. Not only this but looks like the Aussies will be too. Can Jacinda move that referendum or is it stuck to 2020 voting (november?). Because she needs to do something for NZ, I mean she is only there because of the Greens.

Darude34

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#2173208 5-Feb-2019 09:26

TeaLeaf:

Bluntj:

The way its going, medicinal cannabis(legal) will be not be affordable for most. The costs that these Companies have to go through is huge and they will want a return.

Its not, its approx $35 per week. And its just CBD oil which doesnt give any uplifting properties. Smoking high CBD strains like ACDC or 5:3 CBD to THC makes sense for many illnesses, mostly certainly for pain that causes depression. But Im not a doctor. IMO CBD oils are a waste of time. Check out the health threads for more info.

Thats why its important this referendum is for personal use. From there a platform can be built upon.

One other thing I thought of, I did the Euthanasia referendum occur, because it looks like bills are being drawn up for that, which I personally think in this day and age is also a good thing. Each to their own and we would all get along a lot better.

I'm hoping medicinal cannabis will be government funded. The amount of cash I have to fork out for canabis is ridiculous, and that's party due to me having to purchase it via means that I will not disclose of here. I am currently on medication for my anxiety which does not really help, I am unable to work. My normal meds are funded and I see no reason as to why my cannabis will not be funded the same way if its prescribed by doctor.

Darude34

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#2173250 5-Feb-2019 09:57

TeaLeaf:

Either way 2 more countries getting closer to closing the madness on MJ. I cant believe the SAFAs beat us to it lol. Not only this but looks like the Aussies will be too. Can Jacinda move that referendum or is it stuck to 2020 voting (november?). Because she needs to do something for NZ, I mean she is only there because of the Greens.

I agree that she is only there because of the greens. They deserve more credit. I don't believe we need a referendum, legislation should just role forward, it was done with same sex marriage and it should be done again. If there is one thing I dont like about Jacinda its that I sometimes find her too soft. She needs to be play hard ball, and should be pushing for reform.

Bluntj

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#2173349 5-Feb-2019 11:40

Darude34:

TeaLeaf:

Either way 2 more countries getting closer to closing the madness on MJ. I cant believe the SAFAs beat us to it lol. Not only this but looks like the Aussies will be too. Can Jacinda move that referendum or is it stuck to 2020 voting (november?). Because she needs to do something for NZ, I mean she is only there because of the Greens.

I agree that she is only there because of the greens. They deserve more credit. I don't believe we need a referendum, legislation should just role forward, it was done with same sex marriage and it should be done again. If there is one thing I dont like about Jacinda its that I sometimes find her too soft. She needs to be play hard ball, and should be pushing for reform.

It will never happen with this coalition. Greens are not part of the coalition....

GV27

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#2173800 6-Feb-2019 09:00

Bluntj:

It will never happen with this coalition. Greens are not part of the coalition....

The Greens have stated they will only ever go with Labour, so they are effectively a shadow Labour party. This whole "We're not part of the Govt" charade the Greens pull every time they try to claim some moral high ground is really played out.

I will be really curious to see what the Green's residual support is after cannabis has been legalised. I'm expecting them to struggle.

kingdragonfly

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#2254788 9-Jun-2019 12:46

Back in Black - The CBD Craze

The Daily Show with Trevor Noah

Lewis Black dives into the CBD trend to find out whether it truly is as amazing as everyone seems to think it is.

Fred99

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#2255862 11-Jun-2019 10:44

Once upon a time I thought that referendums were a great idea - to supplement / enhance representative democracy.

I've changed my mind - they're a disaster in the age of social media and lobby groups/think tanks not being held to account by mainstream media. You end up with "both sides" telling abject lies, and bugger-all quality media coverage of any "middle ground", an absence of rational discussion.

When debate is dominated by having to refute repeated deliberate lies, there can be no rational agreed and broadly accepted outcome - whatever happens will be divisive.

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gzt

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#2256067 11-Jun-2019 14:01

Are you referring to anything in particular recently?

SJB

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#2256525 12-Jun-2019 10:11

I think binding referendums are a great idea - as long as they turn out the way I want.

Bluntz

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#2256638 12-Jun-2019 12:17

SJB:

I think binding referendums are a great idea - as long as they turn out the way I want.

Like Brexit?

They are good if the campaigning on both sides of the argument are based on facts.

Brexit was won on miss-truths and we are seeing miss-truths already in the marijuana campaign. I guess the scare mongerers believe that the war on drugs is working.

elpenguino

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#2256700 12-Jun-2019 13:19

Bluntz:

SJB:

I think binding referendums are a great idea - as long as they turn out the way I want.

Like Brexit?

They are good if the campaigning on both sides of the argument are based on facts.

Brexit was won on miss-truths and we are seeing miss-truths already in the marijuana campaign. I guess the scare mongerers believe that the war on drugs is working.

Surely the 'war on drugs' is coming to an end now that we have 1 - 2 generations of people who have used drugs and noticed that they and their friends didn't jump out windows and/or murder people?

Even conservative politicians must be having a hard time keeping up the myth after their personal drug experiences. Look at the current UK tory party leadership scramble: most candidates are admitting to past drug use of some kind, except for boris johnson who has trouble lying straight in bed.

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

SJB

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#2256743 12-Jun-2019 14:02

Since when has any political campaign of the last few decades been based on fact? Every side in every campaign thinks everyone except them is lying.

kingdragonfly

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#2272334 9-Jul-2019 12:36

A new paper suggests that in states where recreational marijuana has been legalized, marijuana use among youth may actually be falling.

Laws that legalized recreational marijuana were associated with an 8% drop in the number of high schoolers who said they used marijuana in the last 30 days, and a 9% drop in the number who said they'd used at least 10 times in the last 30 days, according to the paper published in the medical journal JAMA Pediatrics on Monday.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2737637
Association of Marijuana Laws With Teen Marijuana Use

"These authors found no evidence of an association between legalization and adolescent marijuana use in Colorado. Using data from the Washington Healthy Youth Survey, Dilley et al4 found that marijuana use among 8th and 10th graders fell after legalization for recreational purposes."

Fred99

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#2272346 9-Jul-2019 13:08

Meanwhile, conservatives with no understanding are putting up anti-legalization billboards, with outrageously dumb claims that marijuana is a "gateway drug" and that the world will end.
Incredibly stupid of them - and damned irresponsible.

Rikkitic

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#2272376 9-Jul-2019 13:23

Fred99: Meanwhile, conservatives with no understanding are putting up anti-legalization billboards, with outrageously dumb claims that marijuana is a "gateway drug" and that the world will end.
Incredibly stupid of them - and damned irresponsible.

Excuse me for busting the topic but I cannot restrain myself from pointing out that they are doing exactly the same thing to the end of life debate, with inaccurate and misleading references to supposed overseas abuses and hysterical claims about people of questionable values offing their grandparents and disabled children for profit or convenience. The tactics being adopted by these self-appointed guardians of public morality are dishonest, disgusting, and despicable. Rational debate about different viewpoints is one thing. This kind of debased emotive manipulation is beneath contempt. Honest conservatives would be arguing their principles, not trying to undermine public opinion with Trumpian lies and cheating.

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