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#2323837 24-Sep-2019 12:06

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TBH Id rather just vote National and get a free tax cut

I'd rather pay the tax and not spend hours of my life that I'll never get back in congestion. I'd pay more if I have to. But I don't want to pay the tax and be told I should be grateful to have nothing.

But you didnt likie the Auckland fuel tax which is to fix AKL. Could they do a WLG fuel tax to fix Welly?

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#2323846 24-Sep-2019 12:15

tdgeek:

GV27:

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TBH Id rather just vote National and get a free tax cut

I'd rather pay the tax and not spend hours of my life that I'll never get back in congestion. I'd pay more if I have to. But I don't want to pay the tax and be told I should be grateful to have nothing.

But you didnt likie the Auckland fuel tax which is to fix AKL. Could they do a WLG fuel tax to fix Welly?

Short answer no. You can put all the road lanes and train tracks you like that does not resolve the issue that all roads in and all tracks in end up at the same choke points. The answer to Wellington transport issues is to either provide much more inner city housing or to decentrailse the employment in the region.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2323860 24-Sep-2019 12:22

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But you didnt likie the Auckland fuel tax which is to fix AKL. Could they do a WLG fuel tax to fix Welly?

I'm expected to pay the fuel tax in my area of West Auckland where there are thousands of new houses being added.

The Government has decided to not build their promised Light Rail which was supposed to be up and running within decade one as per ATAP 2.

The Government has also said that no other areas will be getting a regional fuel tax.

Yet Auckland continues to take on a far greater number of new residents than other regions.

They are trying to have this both ways.

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#2323873 24-Sep-2019 12:33

GV27:

tdgeek:

But you didnt likie the Auckland fuel tax which is to fix AKL. Could they do a WLG fuel tax to fix Welly?

I'm expected to pay the fuel tax in my area of West Auckland where there are thousands of new houses being added.

The Government has decided to not build their promised Light Rail which was supposed to be up and running within decade one as per ATAP 2.

The Government has also said that no other areas will be getting a regional fuel tax.

Yet Auckland continues to take on a far greater number of new residents than other regions.

They are trying to have this both ways.

New affordable housing wont happen. It was told here that it wont happen and that has turned out to be the case. Its up to the market to manage housing

Has the Govt cancelled LR? And nothing to replace that idea?

Yes they saod no fuel tax elsewhere as everyone moaned about congestion, now they moan about a fuel tax to help pay for it. It begs the question how any Govt can succeed in providing everything (tick) reduce taxes (tick) which will therefore earn votes

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#2323878 24-Sep-2019 12:36

MikeB4:

tdgeek:

GV27:

tdgeek:

TBH Id rather just vote National and get a free tax cut

I'd rather pay the tax and not spend hours of my life that I'll never get back in congestion. I'd pay more if I have to. But I don't want to pay the tax and be told I should be grateful to have nothing.

But you didnt likie the Auckland fuel tax which is to fix AKL. Could they do a WLG fuel tax to fix Welly?

Short answer no. You can put all the road lanes and train tracks you like that does not resolve the issue that all roads in and all tracks in end up at the same choke points. The answer to Wellington transport issues is to either provide much more inner city housing or to decentrailse the employment in the region.

Can't do housing, so the market which runs housing needs to build apartments and inner city housing. They need to be affordable, which is easy....

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#2323907 24-Sep-2019 12:57

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Can't do housing, so the market which runs housing needs to build apartments and inner city housing. They need to be affordable, which is easy....

The Government could go a long way in easing Wellington commuter problems by decentralising the government head offices. There is no reason government department and agencies need to locate their head offices in central wellington. These could moved out to the dormitory suburbs where the vast majority of their staff live. This could possibly cost less than major transport upgrades and stimulate those suburbs.

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#2323910 24-Sep-2019 13:01

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New affordable housing wont happen. It was told here that it wont happen and that has turned out to be the case. Its up to the market to manage housing

Has the Govt cancelled LR? And nothing to replace that idea?

Yes they saod no fuel tax elsewhere as everyone moaned about congestion, now they moan about a fuel tax to help pay for it. It begs the question how any Govt can succeed in providing everything (tick) reduce taxes (tick) which will therefore earn votes

The market didn't campaign on fixing the housing market and criticising the incumbents for doing nothing.

Light Rail won't happen before 2021 at the absolute earliest. ATAP 2 was signed in 2018. NZTA does not even have a business case for the North West yet. Regardless, the tens of thousands of new houses will be there.

And you seem to be missing the point about the fuel tax: it happened when they said it would. They got that bit right. The alternatives to driving and congestion they said they would deliver did not. Like I say, I would rather pay the tax and get the alternatives to driving than just be expected to wear the taxes and watch the solutions never get any closer to reality. But that's what I'm being asked to be OK with. I'm not OK with it.

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#2323924 24-Sep-2019 13:21

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The market didn't campaign on fixing the housing market and criticising the incumbents for doing nothing.

Light Rail won't happen before 2021 at the absolute earliest. ATAP 2 was signed in 2018. NZTA does not even have a business case for the North West yet. Regardless, the tens of thousands of new houses will be there.

And you seem to be missing the point about the fuel tax: it happened when they said it would. They got that bit right. The alternatives to driving and congestion they said they would deliver did not. Like I say, I would rather pay the tax and get the alternatives to driving than just be expected to wear the taxes and watch the solutions never get any closer to reality. But that's what I'm being asked to be OK with. I'm not OK with it.

Housing market , everyone agrees they tried and failed. National did nothing and Labour did nothing. So we are no further ahead and that will remain the case for a very long time

I have no idea, but is there a valid reason for the delay or not? I hear your grief, and I sympathise, but your well founded grief doesnt always equate to it being unfair or incorrectly delayed. Everyone knows its a big deal you would not expect delays to be taken lightly.

But, if this is all Labours creation we can vote them out, thats a serious comment. Give the Opposition a chance to do it

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#2323979 24-Sep-2019 13:42

tdgeek:

GV27:

The market didn't campaign on fixing the housing market and criticising the incumbents for doing nothing.

Light Rail won't happen before 2021 at the absolute earliest. ATAP 2 was signed in 2018. NZTA does not even have a business case for the North West yet. Regardless, the tens of thousands of new houses will be there.

And you seem to be missing the point about the fuel tax: it happened when they said it would. They got that bit right. The alternatives to driving and congestion they said they would deliver did not. Like I say, I would rather pay the tax and get the alternatives to driving than just be expected to wear the taxes and watch the solutions never get any closer to reality. But that's what I'm being asked to be OK with. I'm not OK with it.

Housing market , everyone agrees they tried and failed. National did nothing and Labour did nothing. So we are no further ahead and that will remain the case for a very long time

I have no idea, but is there a valid reason for the delay or not? I hear your grief, and I sympathise, but your well founded grief doesnt always equate to it being unfair or incorrectly delayed. Everyone knows its a big deal you would not expect delays to be taken lightly.

But, if this is all Labours creation we can vote them out, thats a serious comment. Give the Opposition a chance to do it

The housing problems will not be resolved or begin to be resolved until expectations for housing have been changed.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2323984 24-Sep-2019 13:53

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The housing problems will not be resolved or begin to be resolved until expectations for housing have been changed.

Do you mean we don't need 5 BR 300sqm houses on 1/4 acre sections? I agree, we dont. I like it, but we dont

What is a small 2BR dump in Auckland ? $750,000?? Thats the problem. Its small, compact, teeny, but its still probably 3/4 million to occupy. We have minimal inflation, so there is no means to allow one price increase (house) to be offset by another (salary) . If houses rose 5% a year as did net wages, then it doesnt matter, but houses rise, wages dont, thats not going to change overnight.

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#2323998 24-Sep-2019 14:08

tdgeek:

MikeB4:

The housing problems will not be resolved or begin to be resolved until expectations for housing have been changed.

Do you mean we don't need 5 BR 300sqm houses on 1/4 acre sections? I agree, we dont. I like it, but we dont

What is a small 2BR dump in Auckland ? $750,000?? Thats the problem. Its small, compact, teeny, but its still probably 3/4 million to occupy. We have minimal inflation, so there is no means to allow one price increase (house) to be offset by another (salary) . If houses rose 5% a year as did net wages, then it doesnt matter, but houses rise, wages dont, thats not going to change overnight.

More than that, the home ownership expectation needs to change, but our rental/leasing market, regulations, ethos and ethics need to change.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2324009 24-Sep-2019 14:19

MikeB4:

tdgeek:

MikeB4:

The housing problems will not be resolved or begin to be resolved until expectations for housing have been changed.

Do you mean we don't need 5 BR 300sqm houses on 1/4 acre sections? I agree, we dont. I like it, but we dont

What is a small 2BR dump in Auckland ? $750,000?? Thats the problem. Its small, compact, teeny, but its still probably 3/4 million to occupy. We have minimal inflation, so there is no means to allow one price increase (house) to be offset by another (salary) . If houses rose 5% a year as did net wages, then it doesnt matter, but houses rise, wages dont, thats not going to change overnight.

More than that, the home ownership expectation needs to change, but our rental/leasing market, regulations, ethos and ethics need to change.

I feel the home ownership expectations have changed. For many, it wont be a realistic option. Rent wise, the efforts to clean up our rubbish stocks of poor rentals has been good, but the landlords abused it. So we now have better insulated lower tier rentals and higher rentals for them. You can't regulate ethics unfortunately. It wont matter what Government wins the 3 year lottery, the same brick walls will still be here. Back in the day you had cycles, so salary earners werent hemmed in, but they are now. We can just be a rental based society, and avoid fixing the unfixable, thats the sensible choice

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#2325439 26-Sep-2019 17:10

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We can just be a rental based society, and avoid fixing the unfixable, thats the sensible choice

No it's not. Somebody owns those rentals - so it's cementing multi-generational wealth inequality and continued "investment" in non-productive assets, literally "rent-seeking".

Home ownership is good - socially stabilising and an incentive to better oneself and one's immediate environment, neighbourhood, etc. NZ's home ownership rate has plunged to below levels in countries (ie in Europe) where ownership has been nearly impossible for many, but tenant rights including rent controls are much stronger than NZ.

There's no valid argument that the present undesirable rent-seeking mentality was purely the result of "free" market forces - it's been encouraged by successive governments in how policy has been set. Even worse, politicians themselves (from all parties) have been beneficiaries of the policies they set - despite having generous retirement income guaranteed, many are property "investors" / landlords. Unbelievably, lobby groups for property investors get great sympathy from the press and general public for their present plight in being forced to not rent out slums. (as well as giving a lot of coverage to cases of destructive, negligent, horrible tenants).

No - most landlords are not scumbags, nor unusually or excessively avaricious. They're working in a system that was created and virtually guaranteed much better returns at much lower risk than any other form of savings or investment. It has been a serious error IMO.

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#2325503 26-Sep-2019 18:55

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tdgeek:

We can just be a rental based society, and avoid fixing the unfixable, thats the sensible choice

No it's not. Somebody owns those rentals - so it's cementing multi-generational wealth inequality and continued "investment" in non-productive assets, literally "rent-seeking".

Home ownership is good - socially stabilising and an incentive to better oneself and one's immediate environment, neighbourhood, etc. NZ's home ownership rate has plunged to below levels in countries (ie in Europe) where ownership has been nearly impossible for many, but tenant rights including rent controls are much stronger than NZ.

There's no valid argument that the present undesirable rent-seeking mentality was purely the result of "free" market forces - it's been encouraged by successive governments in how policy has been set. Even worse, politicians themselves (from all parties) have been beneficiaries of the policies they set - despite having generous retirement income guaranteed, many are property "investors" / landlords. Unbelievably, lobby groups for property investors get great sympathy from the press and general public for their present plight in being forced to not rent out slums. (as well as giving a lot of coverage to cases of destructive, negligent, horrible tenants).

No - most landlords are not scumbags, nor unusually or excessively avaricious. They're working in a system that was created and virtually guaranteed much better returns at much lower risk than any other form of savings or investment. It has been a serious error IMO.

I was being facetious, as the general theme here is too bad. Ive been a landlord. Its an enterprise. Not all are bad but they are if you read the news. If I had the power I would enact whatever is required to increase home ownership. That resolves a lot of problems in itself. As you alluded to. And, that can be inherited to the next generation to pass on that stability.

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#2328784 3-Oct-2019 09:21

I note funding for Light Rail in Auckland has been reprioritised to the regions.

Migration remains high. New Kiwibuild houses are popping up in West Auckland. It is like some sort of sick joke.

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