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  #2305445 24-Aug-2019 18:37
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Texas Might Have Accidentally Decriminalized Marijuana

And it isn't the only state where laws intended to legalize hemp have gone hilariously awry.

GQ, BY Jay Willis

Earlier this year, the legislature of the great state of Texas passed H.B. 1325, a bill that legalized the production of hemp—and, thus, the market for products containing CBD, which is derived from hemp. The Republican-controlled Texas House of Representatives voted 140-3 to pass the bill's final version on May 22. On June 10, governor Greg Abbott, also a Republican, signed it into law, effective immediately.

The measure's proponents did not intend it to affect existing state laws prohibiting the sale or possession of marijuana. One section of the bill, in fact, specifically directs the Texas Department of Agriculture to draft regulations to "ensure that illegal marihuana [sic] is not transported into or through this state disguised as legal hemp." However, in a landmark addition to the annals of poorly-drafted legislation with unintended consequences, the Texas Tribune reports that the bill has effectively decriminalized weed in the state, forcing many prosecutors to drop low-level marijuana case that they fear they can't prove in court any longer.

The practical problem they're staring down is that the law distinguishes between hemp and marijuana by reference to the percentage of tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, which is the psychoactive compound. The statute defines anything with a THC concentration of less than 0.3 percent as hemp, which may be sold at your local health food store. Anything with a THC concentration of greater than 0.3 percent is weed, and the grower must either destroy it or alter it until the sample dips below the relevant threshold. The state's crimes labs, however, are currently incapable of testing the potency of drugs seized by police with the necessary degree of precision. In other words, if you're caught with what the police say is illegal marijuana, and you counter that it's perfectly-legal hemp, Texas is not capable of proving otherwise. Whoops.

In an advisory bulletin released earlier this summer, the Texas District & County Attorneys Association (TDCAA) affirmed that prosecutors may just have to sit on their hands until the state buys the equipment and develops the tests it needs to enforce the rules—which, again, it just made for itself. Prosecutors in several counties have begun dismissing hundreds of weed-related charges, and Texas Department of Public Safety troopers are now issuing citations instead of making arrests for possession of misdemeanor-level amounts of (alleged) weed.

Prosecutors in Tarrant County, the state's third-largest, told the Tribune that they'll be able to re-file a case if they can get lab results on samples within two years of seizure. A procedure currently in development would be able to get THC results accurate to a concentration of 1 percent, which is not as precise as the law calls for, but nonetheless sufficient to make the weed-or-not-weed call in most cases. The Texas Forensic Science Commission hopes to have it ready at some point in 2020. In the meantime, the TDCAA says, "unless a defendant stipulates that his cannabis is marijuana and not hemp, any criminal cases may need to wait to go to trial until testing on them can be completed."

In a delightful twist, a separate Tribune report notes that Texas Department of Public Safety’s crime lab director, Brady Mills, told lawmakers about this exact issue while the bill was pending before the Texas House Agriculture and Livestock Committee. The Tribune describes what happened immediately after Mills issued his warning.

“Alright,” responded the committee’s chairman, state Rep. Drew Springer, R-Muenster. “Members, any questions?”

The five other committee members sitting on the dais were silent and still, some with downcast eyes. The bill’s author, state Rep. Tracy King, D-Batesville, sat to the side, looking down with his face in his hand, as he had during Mills’ testimony. The director was dismissed, and the committee later approved the bill unanimously.

Texas isn't the only state that has created this problem for itself of late; lawmakers in Florida and Ohio, among others, have also passed pro-hemp laws that inadvertently kneecapped anti-marijuana enforcement. In one of several exasperated asides in its bulletin, the TDCAA couldn't resist calling out this oversight.

Interestingly, our post-session research shows at least two other states—Tennessee and Virginia—are experiencing the same problems resulting from their own state legislative bodies passing hemp legalization laws with immediate effect, but apparently no one who helped pass the Texas bill either knew about those problems or thought to mention them to our own legislature.

Clumsily-drafted statutory language: Blaze it.



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  #2343416 25-Oct-2019 10:40
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Only relevant here, because shows wasted money because marijuana laws.

US space agency NASA paid Elon Musk's SpaceX for safety review after Musk smoked pot

The Verge, by Jacqueline Feldscher

SpaceX CEO Elon Musk’s infamous pot-smoking incident last year prompted NASA to order a mandatory review of the federal contractor’s workplace culture — but taxpayers, not the company, are bearing the cost, according to contracting records reviewed by POLITICO.

The space agency agreed to pay SpaceX $5 million in May to cover the cost of the review, which includes educating its employees and ensuring they are following strict guidelines for federal contractors barring illegal drug use.

The decision, which has not previously been reported, struck some space industry insiders as a highly unusual expenditure given that Musk, who holds a security clearance, prompted the concerns about whether SpaceX is following the rules.

While marijuana is legal in multiple states – including California, where Musk’s stunt took place – it remains illegal under federal law. And illegal drug use is also considered a violation of the terms of a government security clearance.

The NASA contract to SpaceX to pay for the workplace review — a modification to a previous contract to build a space capsule — also marks a new chapter in its ongoing tension with more established rivals like Boeing.
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https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/16/nasa-musk-weed-048099


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  #2343515 25-Oct-2019 14:14
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While Rome (aka Wellington) fiddles people suffer.





Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.




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  #2343826 26-Oct-2019 16:28
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With the way I have felt for the last week I an getting more and more angry at the useless wastes of space Muppets working in the Beehive. I wish I could transfer my agony to them.




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  #2344416 28-Oct-2019 14:31
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Cannabis business in Uruguay still grows six years after legalization

CGTN America

In 2013, Uruguay became the first country in the world to legalize marijuana.

Results have been mixed for the small South American nation of around 3.5 million people. But the industry, from plantation to market, is growing and diversifying steadily.

While some would like to see aspects of the law modified, others are pushing for the country to seize its competitive advantage and become a global player.

“Americas Now” takes a close look at the benefits and difficulties of Uruguay’s pioneer efforts to make marijuana legal.


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  #2349654 7-Nov-2019 18:54
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A brave lady who fought for her terminally ill son, and then for others, has had enough:

 

Controversial medicinal cannabis supplier Rose Renton is stepping down from the role of being a national "green fairy".

 

... Ms Renton said she could no longer "carry the burden of those who are suffering".

 

"These are my final weeks of being a National Green Fairy. Carrying the burden of those who suffer has become too heavy ... the weight grows daily," Ms Renton posted on Facebook.

 

She intended to return to a life that was hers and her children's and no longer make or supply medicinal cannabis.

 

She advised people to grow their own medicinal cannabis, or find a local fairy nearby to help.

 

Ms Renton's lawyer, Sue Grey, said it had all taken a toll.

 

"She is absolutely exhausted from trying to help people, to educate them on medicinal cannabis, and help people to arrange medicine that's safe and affordable," Ms Grey said.

 

"She just sees no end to the challenges."

 

While it was useful the government was taking steps to allow cultivation and manufacture of medicinal cannabis, it was likely to be hugely expensive, Ms Grey said.

 

"The entry costs will make it impossible for any of the smaller green fairies to really get involved in the new system."

 

She said the prospect of years in jail on the multiple cultivation charges had been very stressful for Ms Renton.

 

"One of those was 14 years in prison for helping sick people. You can't underestimate the stress involved in that."

 

 

 

So the idiotic and immoral war on cannabis carries on. Let us hope that common sense (not to mention natural justice) will prevail at last when the referendum comes up next year. Please vote to end this stupidity. It has gone on for long enough. 

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  #2367960 4-Dec-2019 10:54
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In unsurprising fashion, the questions proposed for the referendum are vague and open to interpretation.

 

If I am pro-medical but against recreational weed use, how do I vote? Without a valid choice, most people will be conservative and vote No.

 

 


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  #2368016 4-Dec-2019 11:42
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It is a draft, open to comment and change by the parties. I would imagine that any issues would be subject to review. Apart from that, isn't this specifically about recreational use? I thought there was separate legislation for medical use.

 

 





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  #2371377 9-Dec-2019 19:48
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Things are starting to move. I expect extensive public education next year. The PM putting a group of scientists and statiticians together to quell/squash any absolute rubbish driven by Cults (far left wing Christian groups) and the 50+ National sympathisers, ie mysoganistic, agist morons like Mike Hosking and Kate Hawkesby, Mike using aribitary stat to attack Chloe Swarbrick on live radio, instead of being a real journalist, Mike just stated she should come back once she has had children (because thats a womans role Mike, palm to face) and older and wiser (clearly Mike, age doesnt make some people wise). Every time she tried to speak, he cut her off and kept refering back to Colarado drug driving up 400%. Instead of using his brain and thinking, wow thats a lot, why might that be, he just kept basically insulting Chloe and referring back to this stat. Of course Mike and his OLD wife (because age = wisdom) who have kids (because im Mikes eyes that is what woman are here for) are National 50+ voters who make up to 90% of the "No" in the polls and surverys.

Speaking of which it has now swung back around apparently rising daily, currently at parity. IMO people just wanted ore information on the terms and also people want science on things like, Can cannabis treat Asthma, if Yes, how does that work. Why is Cannabis said to be such a good anti inflammatory, Yes-due to being the strongest ant inflammatory known in the nature world, 2x stronger than Hydro Cortisone.

All the infomation is out there, but people want it on paper or somebody they can call to check if  certain strain will help them. Which is the crux of medicinal cannabis, the right strains available. Which also is largely why people like "Paula Bennett" say things like, oh I tried it but it wasnt for me, and knowing our BM Bush Weed strain in NZ I can understand that. HEAVILY psychotropic and if you are not in the right place, have any anxiety etc, it will put you in a bad place. Which is were California and Canada with over 2000 strains have the cability to really enhance NZ quaality if ufe. Big article out there, can cannabis replace the $xyz billion dollar sleep medicine industry. I personally would say without a doubt. Without brain damage. Without addiction And importantly for work, without a major groggy brain fog hangover.

I think inherently the majority of Kiwis no that locking people up for a drug that if not sold to patients with already formed psychosis does very little next to zero harm. Studies showing people with THC drive slower and do not lose bodily motor skills, which could help explain the year on year decrease in drug related fatalities. Ummm, look into that one Mike (does anyone else think he looks like Sonic the hedgehog?)

Can journalists (oh thats too legit a word to use for him uggh) be legally gagged from mking public statements via the media?

Cheat sheet for proposal (draft, may updates to occur Im darn sure)

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/03-12-2019/cheat-sheet-nz-cannabis-legalisation-bill-and-the-referendum-question-revealed/

 


Back to the topic, the proposed legislation to be voted "Yes" or "No" on, does not currently mention the original question " Should adults be able to grow a limited supply of Cannabis for recration or medicine"? I think the government pretty much knows it will go through given its GDP value which is the problem. It was meant to be people could grow 1-2 plants etc to avoid the insane costing of medicinal CBD, I have read there is more to come around "cultivation" etc, but my concern is will they change the terms the greens put up into a cash cow for low THC cannabis that has no recreational or medcinal value for $$$$$$$$$$$$

I thin if so, this will have zero impact on the black market and it will be a flop. Im hoping cultvation to come includes persona cultivation or it is redundant imo. 2mill people immigrate to Australia's capital for freedom of choice. lol.

Good discussion between Helen Clark (staunch supporter of legalisation) and Chloe Swarbrick from the Greens, who'd have thought we would be near the tail end of cannabis reform after 2000, where again major left wing Cult movements with nothing better to do caused havoc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia0X4_fVafY&fbclid=IwAR3lxjtt-_ChNagBssZIZSw4a3kUiRnpb2ch33B_vehktm6sH1EYFdtjbp4


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  #2371409 9-Dec-2019 22:07
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You sound every bit as fanatical as you accuse those you are railing against of being in your rant. 

 

It just goes to show there are views at both end of the spectrum, with most somewhere much more near the middle, in favour or against. 

 

 


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  #2371421 9-Dec-2019 22:52
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I am pro-legalisation because I believe the war on drugs is a stupid hysterical overreaction that has victimised a lot of otherwise innocent people. But I also believe the reality is somewhere between the extremes. In the sixties, when I was young (ah, how I long for those days!) marijuana (weed, grass, blow, whatever you want to call it) was relatively innocuous and the penalties for getting caught with it idiotically excessive and overblown. It should be legalised, or at least, decriminalised and the ridiculous crap spouted about it relegated to the realm of mythology. Of course it is not harmless. Neither is it the portal to Hell. There are much bigger problems to worry about. Let us finally grow up and get over it!

 

 





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  #2371449 10-Dec-2019 07:29
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Isn't blow Cocaine? I think it got its name because Cocaine associated with ... errr... increased virility and oral sex.

While we're on the subject of class A drugs, the reason I support marijuana legalization is mostly economic.

The cost of keeping a person in prison for 12 months is $91,000.

There's also a racial aspect to the prison population. Maori make up 15% of the population, but as prison population 58% of female prisoners and while 51% of males.

Once someone is arrested, there chances of getting employment plummet. I've interviewed for a lot of jobs, and the only question I've ever seen the always asked is "do you have a criminal background?"

So in the Northland (30% Maori) it's a lot of wins.

  • paying jobs in marijuana agriculture

  • keeps people from getting a criminal conviction for a minor offense

  • no criminal conviction means employment is much easier

  • gainful employment = no dole

  • reduces criminal gangs revenue, so less likely to attract members

    There's about 250,000 deaths per year worldwide from class A drugs, varying from illegal to prescription. At worst there's been two marijuana overdoses ever, and those two deaths are debatable.

    Compare marijuana worldwide to alcohol. The harmful use of alcohol kills up to 3 million people annually, accounting for 5% of the global disease burden.

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    networkn:

     

    You sound every bit as fanatical as you accuse those you are railing against of being in your rant. 

     

    It just goes to show there are views at both end of the spectrum, with most somewhere much more near the middle, in favour or against. 

     

     

    Lol you are a stirrer sometimes mate 😜, seriously how am I being fanatical, Im stating facts, not derailing with false information.

    Im not ranting, ranting would be going into a sermon about why cannabis is undisputeably healthy for adults of minimum age 24 and up and choosing the right strain for their well being.

    I didnt do that, I simply pointed out how some people are trying their hardest to derail the truth via mis information or half truths without stating the reason for said truth (or in Mike's case, ranting on a topic he says he has hardened knowledge in yet speaks a half truth and used it as the only FACT he claims that he is a master in and interrupts Chloe who was his guest to belittle her with).

    Hardly a rant, more like, "this guy !"


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    kingdragonfly:

     

    • paying jobs in marijuana agriculture

    • keeps people from getting a criminal conviction for a minor offense

    • no criminal conviction means employment is much easier

    • gainful employment = no dole

    • reduces criminal gangs revenue, so less likely to attract members

      There's about 250,000 deaths per year worldwide from class A drugs, varying from illegal to prescription. At worst there's been two marijuana overdoses ever, and those two deaths are debatable.

      Compare marijuana worldwide to alcohol. The harmful use of alcohol kills up to 3 million people annually, accounting for 5% of the global disease burden.


    Very well thought out and accurate.

    Although I thought Maori made up 12% of the population but 80% if imprisoned. Not a subject that really matters though on details as its clear it is a racial legal issue.

    Id like to know the stats on those imprisoned for Cannabis.

    I agree on the employment aspect. Due to a major .... up by John Key in printing money to save our property market from the GFC, which was already inflated, this inflationary money is now invested in the property market further over inflating the property market, as pointed out by Bloomberg, the 2nd most unsustainable property market in the world.

    The point is 150% personal debt to our GDP, which is on the very of dwindling. We need every possible increase in GDP that we can get. Not to say junk bonds causing a crash in the US by credit unions recalling all debt immediately, causing interest rates to dramaticaly increase, deflatng the heavily inflated market (by some 40% in my estimate) wont happen and is a bad thing, its the ONLY way Kiwis will be able to buy Kiwi homes as Jacinda wants.

    But to keep our GDP increasing would be the ultimate. People default, less irrational invetments on irrationally over inflated property, our GDP has a saviour from global issues on what little we do produce (dairy become unfavourable over the next 10 years so I have read in a number of articles, our Tourism market already having had as many Apple like propaganda based marketing campaigns as it will cope with).

    Everything you pointed out means a massive increase in GDP and potentially as you point out, for one of our least wealthy demographics.

    Also by having much less people in prison for being involved with a product so much less harmful than alcohol it is not even able to be calculated.

    The savings of said imprisoned, is what, approx $80-100k per person, per annum. Again Id really like to know the numbers imprisoned for Cannabis related offences.

    Rehabilitate these people who were just trying to make money like the rest of us for their families etc. Have them find jobs and contribute to society and our GDP.

    Overall see an increase in our GDP, a lowering of personal debt due to foreclosures on ridiculous lending, and kiwis entering kiwi homes.

    This along with having the Pension removed from the fiscal tax budget and put into the hands of WNZ so all pensions are assett tested, so we don't have the extremely rich making a public mockery of claiming the pension on National Television, whilst the flip side people like Gareth Morgan not claiming the pension for obvious reasons, he doesn't need it. Remove this notion it is a right and put it at what it is, a prveldge, so we have younger generations investing much younger for their retirement, and if it doesnt go bust, slowly increase KiwiSaver to be closer to Aussie rates, but supporting small to med size business.

    Those 3 things will swing out GDP to Personal debt ratio, improve our multiples in property (affordability ratio), lower the number of incarcerated for a ridiculous reason (in most cases) and improve the quality of life for a large percentile of one of our largest and most intrinscly important demographics/cultures in our country.


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    Here is what maybe could have been if we hadn't chosen the timid route and decided to keep things as they were instead of facing up to change for the better. We are so lame.

     

     





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