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#2358479 21-Nov-2019 09:52

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No, in other words "Has there been any snap elections in the past for donation issues? Peters says the foundation is not the party. If Adern got into this, thats interference, it needs to wait till someone decrees that the foundation IS the NZF party, then the brown stuff can hit the fan for NZF and also from Adern. I haven't recalled National jumping into this bandwagon yet. If National see NZF as an ally in 2020, they will want to keep quiet. So it may well be that both Labour and National are playing the same keep quiet game, for the same selfish reasons. Votes exceed corruption"

I can read. My point about Ardern deferring to independent inquiries as a means of avoiding scrutiny over anything of actual consequence still stands. If the 'four weeks from early September' sexual assault report that is still outstanding is anything to go by, it is just a means to put distance between her and actual issues that require leadership while she takes questions from Stephen Colbert and the Guardian instead.

So she needs to tell who to start an enquiry into NZF? I believe thats already in progress. Does she need to criticise NZF for being involved in dodgy donations? When that is yet to be decided. I would have though Simon would be all over this, but he's not, why is that? Two reasons

1. Like Adern he doesnt want to fall out of favour with 2020 votes

2. Like Adern, he cannot get involved with NZF being guilty, when its still in progress. Would you feel its fair to treat a party as guilty when the trial is still underway?

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#2358502 21-Nov-2019 10:43

Bridges apparently not rule out working with Winston on RNZ yesterday. I'm at table-flipping levels of being done with this guy, JFC.

I am somewhat overly harsh on Ardern given the constant free passes to under-performing ministers so I am probably being unreasonable about this.

But I'm also over decades of NZ First donation dubiousness being whatabouted as if it doesn't matter just because NZ First is keeping Labour in power.

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#2358524 21-Nov-2019 11:21

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Bridges apparently not rule out working with Winston on RNZ yesterday. I'm at table-flipping levels of being done with this guy, JFC.

I am somewhat overly harsh on Ardern given the constant free passes to under-performing ministers so I am probably being unreasonable about this.

But I'm also over decades of NZ First donation dubiousness being whatabouted as if it doesn't matter just because NZ First is keeping Labour in power.

NZF arent getting off as they are in power that I'm aware. Or is there no action being taken at all? Down the track this issue for them and also the disgruntled NZF supporters will bail, and they will vote National and NZF will fail.

Adern has dumped ministers from roles I have no issue with that. Except that in some roles as in KB it was a failure anyway no matter who led it. Thats the real failure, to admit that and shut it down

National will get in in 2020

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#2358538 21-Nov-2019 11:52

Any party that indicates or even hints that will or are willing to partner with NZ First will not be getting my vote in 2020. The whole NZ First funding saga is getting more and more murky and if true they need to be obliterated from our political landscape. Any party that feels that it's OK to support that abomination needs to go into the wilderness as well.

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#2358592 21-Nov-2019 12:17

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Any party that indicates or even hints that will or are willing to partner with NZ First will not be getting my vote in 2020. The whole NZ First funding saga is getting more and more murky and if true they need to be obliterated from our political landscape. Any party that feels that it's OK to support that abomination needs to go into the wilderness as well.

Last election National was prepared to work with Winston, but were not prepared to accept his conditions therefore they knew they would be opposition. Labour wanted power so much they accepted Winstons unruly conditions at any cost and agreed to make him the most important politician in the land as far as his power goes.

I would hope the same applies in 2020. If NZ First accept a position within National indicative of how many votes they got, I would be OK with that.

We now know Labour has no depth and is largely incompetent (unless new blood comes in), and will promise the earth to get power at any cost. How could you trust anything they say?

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#2358602 21-Nov-2019 12:30

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Any party that indicates or even hints that will or are willing to partner with NZ First will not be getting my vote in 2020. The whole NZ First funding saga is getting more and more murky and if true they need to be obliterated from our political landscape. Any party that feels that it's OK to support that abomination needs to go into the wilderness as well.

Last election National was prepared to work with Winston, but were not prepared to accept his conditions therefore they knew they would be opposition. Labour wanted power so much they accepted Winstons unruly conditions at any cost and agreed to make him the most important politician in the land as far as his power goes.

I would hope the same applies in 2020. If NZ First accept a position within National indicative of how many votes they got, I would be OK with that.

We now know Labour has no depth and is largely incompetent (unless new blood comes in), and will promise the earth to get power at any cost. How could you trust anything they say?

What you are saying is that NZF would ask for the earth to go with Labour, but will want nothing to go with National? I cant see that at all. They used the kingmaker position to get bidders. National bid, and Labour bid more. The same will apply, assuming NZF reaches the threshold which is not guaranteed

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#2358619 21-Nov-2019 12:53

Mahon:

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Any party that indicates or even hints that will or are willing to partner with NZ First will not be getting my vote in 2020. The whole NZ First funding saga is getting more and more murky and if true they need to be obliterated from our political landscape. Any party that feels that it's OK to support that abomination needs to go into the wilderness as well.

Last election National was prepared to work with Winston, but were not prepared to accept his conditions therefore they knew they would be opposition. Labour wanted power so much they accepted Winstons unruly conditions at any cost and agreed to make him the most important politician in the land as far as his power goes.

I would hope the same applies in 2020. If NZ First accept a position within National indicative of how many votes they got, I would be OK with that.

We now know Labour has no depth and is largely incompetent (unless new blood comes in), and will promise the earth to get power at any cost. How could you trust anything they say?

New Zealand Firsts racist activity for me makes them an unacceptable partner and an unacceptable party to be represented in our parliament period. If National forgives their past to be in power then they are unacceptable as well as would Labour be unacceptable.

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#2358645 21-Nov-2019 13:39

tdgeek:

Mahon:

MikeB4:

Any party that indicates or even hints that will or are willing to partner with NZ First will not be getting my vote in 2020. The whole NZ First funding saga is getting more and more murky and if true they need to be obliterated from our political landscape. Any party that feels that it's OK to support that abomination needs to go into the wilderness as well.

Last election National was prepared to work with Winston, but were not prepared to accept his conditions therefore they knew they would be opposition. Labour wanted power so much they accepted Winstons unruly conditions at any cost and agreed to make him the most important politician in the land as far as his power goes.

I would hope the same applies in 2020. If NZ First accept a position within National indicative of how many votes they got, I would be OK with that.

We now know Labour has no depth and is largely incompetent (unless new blood comes in), and will promise the earth to get power at any cost. How could you trust anything they say?

What you are saying is that NZF would ask for the earth to go with Labour, but will want nothing to go with National? I cant see that at all. They used the kingmaker position to get bidders. National bid, and Labour bid more. The same will apply, assuming NZF reaches the threshold which is not guaranteed

Thats not what I said at all. WoW. They probably asked the same exorbitant set of demands from both parties, but clearly only one party would sink that low. National probably remembers what happened last time Winston sided with National (and was sacked) so will know his game plan.

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#2358678 21-Nov-2019 14:03

Mahon:

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Mahon:

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Any party that indicates or even hints that will or are willing to partner with NZ First will not be getting my vote in 2020. The whole NZ First funding saga is getting more and more murky and if true they need to be obliterated from our political landscape. Any party that feels that it's OK to support that abomination needs to go into the wilderness as well.

Last election National was prepared to work with Winston, but were not prepared to accept his conditions therefore they knew they would be opposition. Labour wanted power so much they accepted Winstons unruly conditions at any cost and agreed to make him the most important politician in the land as far as his power goes.

I would hope the same applies in 2020. If NZ First accept a position within National indicative of how many votes they got, I would be OK with that.

We now know Labour has no depth and is largely incompetent (unless new blood comes in), and will promise the earth to get power at any cost. How could you trust anything they say?

What you are saying is that NZF would ask for the earth to go with Labour, but will want nothing to go with National? I cant see that at all. They used the kingmaker position to get bidders. National bid, and Labour bid more. The same will apply, assuming NZF reaches the threshold which is not guaranteed

Thats not what I said at all. WoW. They probably asked the same exorbitant set of demands from both parties, but clearly only one party would sink that low. National probably remembers what happened last time Winston sided with National (and was sacked) so will know his game plan.

I would hope the same applies in 2020. If NZ First accept a position within National indicative of how many votes they got, I would be OK with that.

Thats not what happened in 2016. You want the "same that apples" which is Peters gave them both unruly demands, and how is that compatible with your hope for 2020 that NZ First accept a position within National indicative of how many votes they got ?

If Simon stated yesterday that they would work with NZF then they are courting Peters, and therefore will look at his demands. Labour will be courting Peters. The stage is set

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#2358681 21-Nov-2019 14:10

NZ First accept a position within National indicative of how many votes they got means that NZF will not have a list of demands. That will not be the case.

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#2358943 21-Nov-2019 21:02

Could the PM just dump Peters from deputy pm ??

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#2358957 21-Nov-2019 22:02

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Could the PM just dump Peters from deputy pm ??

She can but it would break the coalition agreement and end in an early election.

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#2359348 22-Nov-2019 14:49

MikeB4:
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Could the PM just dump Peters from deputy pm ??

She can but it would break the coalition agreement and end in an early election.

"Look at me, I'm prepared to uphold strong democratic principles while the other guys argue about the best way to hide donations" is a pretty strong selling point.

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#2359351 22-Nov-2019 14:55

GV27:

MikeB4:
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Could the PM just dump Peters from deputy pm ??

She can but it would break the coalition agreement and end in an early election.

"Look at me, I'm prepared to uphold strong democratic principles while the other guys argue about the best way to hide donations" is a pretty strong selling point.

She may well do gambling that NZF gets savaged at the polls and NZ Greens pick up some of NZF voters. I feel it she was to make that call NZF and the Peters Jones soap opera with have its last curtain call.

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#2368126 4-Dec-2019 14:02

Labour bringing out another law that does nothing to stop what it sets out to do, and i mean the ban on foreign political donations of over $50. What a waste of time when you are still allowed to make anonymous donations up to $1500.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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