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#2409777 29-Jan-2020 17:32

Handle9: The national party is claiming that no one in the party has been charged and is therefore claiming vindication.

Something here doesn't stack up.

Maybe the statement is true because the accused recently left the party. Very recently.

Until we know the names of the accused we'll have to speculate.

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#2410491 31-Jan-2020 07:55

Stuff like this bugs me, no matter who it comes from

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/national-party-s-mischievous-bar-graph-cleared-by-advertising-watchdog.html

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#2410521 31-Jan-2020 09:11

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#2410526 31-Jan-2020 09:21

tdgeek:

Stuff like this bugs me, no matter who it comes from

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/national-party-s-mischievous-bar-graph-cleared-by-advertising-watchdog.html

If you can't find a problem somewhere, look elsewhere, don't mislead.

The underlying message of the ad is the same old rhetoric from National i.e. "Labour will tax you more (than us)".

Funny thing is, I don't remember being taxed any less for the 9 years up to 2017.

What I've seen of the national campaign so far is nothing positive , it's things like we're going to bash beneficiaries and cyclists. We're going to crack down on gangs. I haven't heard anything positive about their great ideas for the future only negative things about what they're going to do to keep things the same.

Doesn't sound like a party for the future but rather one casting a longing look at the past.

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#2410528 31-Jan-2020 09:30

All that things like this tell me is that National plays fast and loose with facts and nothing they say can be trusted.

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#2410529 31-Jan-2020 09:32

Rikkitic:

All that things like this tell me is that National plays fast and loose with facts and nothing they say can be trusted.

Probably working on the basis that if it worked for Trump then it will work for Bridges

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#2411026 1-Feb-2020 09:11

Rikkitic:

All that things like this tell me is that National plays fast and loose with facts and nothing they say can be trusted.

I don't get how it's not OK for businesses to make misleading statements about their products but fine for politicians to do it during a political campaign.

I think the problem is the sheer volume of communications during an election campaign as well as the social media engagement which is designed to be maximum reach/maximum reactions makes it almost impossible for media to accurately assess any of this so understand who is systematically telling porkies.

Supposedly in this same week, National has been making sweeping statements about what was and wasn't already funded in the latest-announced infrastructure plan, but that same plan was apparently approved by cabinet in November but not announced until the day after the election was called. Labour has also been circulating a pretty terrible graph trying to boost their infrastructure cred.

The point of this isn't whataboutism. It's that this one issue, the infrastructure spend - announced in November but detailed only partially this week - has generated hundreds of tweets for MPs, pundits and so on. There's just so much volume to sift through that no media outlet is going to able to fact-check them all, or even most of them.

It's "get a comment from the PM, then the leader of the opposition, fact-check that maybe or seek a rebuttal from the PM" - but that's often where 'fact checking' stops.

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#2411208 1-Feb-2020 17:36

The first casualty when war comes is truth. The first casualty when elections come is fact.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2411395 2-Feb-2020 10:42

I've already decided I won't vote for any party with the following members. I've had enough of them.

Simon Bridges, Judith Collins, Paula Bennet, Phil Twyford, Kelvin Davies, Iain Lees-Galloway, Winston Peters, Shane Jones, James Shaw, Marama Davidson, Chloe Swarbrick, David Seymour.

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#2411521 2-Feb-2020 13:14

Simon Bridges says he has no intention to keep $100,000 donated by a Chinese businessman.

It seems this is different from the feelings he had during a recorded conversion with MP Jami-Lee Ross:

Ross said in October 2018 Bridges broke the law, alleging the Opposition leader had asked him to collect a $100,000 donation from wealthy Chinese businessman Zhang Yikun and not disclose it properly.

Ross said the donation arrived in eight amounts smaller than $15,000 - the threshold at which donations have to be declared by law - and that Bridges had stressed it should not be made public.

Ross released a recorded phone conversation between him and Bridges at the time, where he could be heard asking his then-leader what to do with the $100,000 donation.

Like Trump, "a perfectly good call".

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#2411557 2-Feb-2020 14:31

Bridges has shown some degree of spine and ruled out working with NZ First and confirmed they will work with David Seymour in Epsom.

Sooooo the political landscape is:

Vote Labour: Get Greens and NZ First.

Vote NZ First: Get Greens and Labour.

Vote Green: Get NZ First and Labour.

Vote National: Get ACT and National.

Vote ACT: Get National and ACT.

I didn't think Bridges would a) do this and b) so soon. This is actually a pretty risky move. It will light a fuse under a lot of NZ First and Green voters who are now stuck with each other.

I suspect someone is polling at the moment and Bridges is looking for a game-changer early on, hence the announcement now instead of later.

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#2411580 2-Feb-2020 16:14

GV27:

Bridges has shown some degree of spine and ruled out working with NZ First and confirmed they will work with David Seymour in Epsom.

Sooooo the political landscape is:

Vote Labour: Get Greens and NZ First.

Vote NZ First: Get Greens and Labour.

Vote Green: Get NZ First and Labour.

Vote National: Get ACT and National.

Vote ACT: Get National and ACT.

I didn't think Bridges would a) do this and b) so soon. This is actually a pretty risky move. It will light a fuse under a lot of NZ First and Green voters who are now stuck with each other.

I suspect someone is polling at the moment and Bridges is looking for a game-changer early on, hence the announcement now instead of later.

Being in government with Winston is like selling your soul to the devil. Opposition would be more attractive than working with Winston.

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#2411648 2-Feb-2020 18:34

GV27:

Bridges has shown some degree of spine and ruled out working with NZ First and confirmed they will work with David Seymour in Epsom.

Sooooo the political landscape is:

Vote Labour: Get Greens and NZ First.

Vote NZ First: Get Greens and Labour.

Vote Green: Get NZ First and Labour.

Vote National: Get ACT and National.

Vote ACT: Get National and ACT.

I didn't think Bridges would a) do this and b) so soon. This is actually a pretty risky move. It will light a fuse under a lot of NZ First and Green voters who are now stuck with each other.

I suspect someone is polling at the moment and Bridges is looking for a game-changer early on, hence the announcement now instead of later.

You call that spine? Work with David Seymour???? Ok. Spine would be working with NZF but NOT caving into them.

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#2411649 2-Feb-2020 18:39

Mahon:

Being in government with Winston is like selling your soul to the devil. Opposition would be more attractive than working with Winston.

Thats a blind comment. Whether you know about it, NZF has a following. The trick is to garner that following (to help you govern, which is the KEY issue) but not becoming beholding to them. So, your position puts you on the back foot. NZF played the game, that game wont rinse and repeat. So Bridges has outwardly declined NZF. That means that Peters WILL go with Labour, and WONT get a kingmaker set of demands. Bridges has therefore rolled over amp helped Labour reduce the NZF demands. Silly.

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#2411772 3-Feb-2020 08:34

tdgeek:

You call that spine? Work with David Seymour???? Ok. Spine would be working with NZF but NOT caving into them.

This was inevitable after the last election.

Whether you agree with it or not, Bridges has at least come out and made a definitive call on something. The bar is very low in that regard for him but none the less.

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