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#1289102 22-Apr-2015 11:31

itxtme: Yea, assault - not so much. Highly inappropriate - yes. That gif makes him look very very creepy.

If she feared the proximity and felt intimidated at any time, it's assault.

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#1289103 22-Apr-2015 11:32

SumnerBoy: A bit dramatic surely? Whilst not a smart thing to do, I would hardly consider this anywhere near the scale of 'assault'.

It may not have malicious intent, but it is still inappropriate and very clearly unwanted attention. With his record, he should know better by now.

As someone who has slightly longer than average hair and has had to deal with strangers walking up to me to touch it (why is that okay?) or have had someone threatening that they would cut it while I wasn't looking, I can assure you that I very much consider anybody tugging on my hair repeatedly as an act of bullying. In the case of a stranger, it would be assault imo.

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#1289104 22-Apr-2015 11:32

It seems some of you think "assault" is when someone punches another person.

It's more than that folks.

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#1289105 22-Apr-2015 11:32

Its bloody weird is what it is.

Hopefully the waitress gets to make her mind up about what she wants done without too much outside political/media/social influence.

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#1289106 22-Apr-2015 11:33

I can see calls for his resignation. I ask myself what would he do if this were one of his Ministers or a member of one of the other parties.

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#1289107 22-Apr-2015 11:34

doesn't look good does it! maybe he's too tired and drank too much Red Bull and was acting subconsciously. he obviously likes hairs though.

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#1289108 22-Apr-2015 11:35

freitasm: It seems some of you think "assault" is when someone punches another person.

It's more than that folks.

Agreed, but without criminal intent it is not assault. If I shoulder tap you and you didnt want me to shoulder tap you (I didnt know you didnt want me to) by your reckoning that would be assault.

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#1289109 22-Apr-2015 11:38

itxtme: Agreed, but without criminal intent it is not assault. If I shoulder tap you and you didnt want me to shoulder tap you (I didnt know you didnt want me to) by your reckoning that would be assault.

In some cultures touching someone's hair is a sign of respect and greeting. In others, you have basically sexually harassed someone's wife/daughter. Shoulder tapping is not even in the same stratosphere as pulling on hair.

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#1289110 22-Apr-2015 11:39

itxtme:
freitasm: It seems some of you think "assault" is when someone punches another person.

It's more than that folks.

Agreed, but without criminal intent it is not assault. If I shoulder tap you and you didnt want me to shoulder tap you (I didnt know you didnt want me to) by your reckoning that would be assault.

It caused her apprehension and upset and discomfort, that may well meet the definition of assault, but one of the Lawyers here would be better placed to advise

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#1289111 22-Apr-2015 11:39

KiwiNZ: I can see calls for his resignation. I ask myself what would he do if this were one of his Ministers or a member of one of the other parties.

I'm surprised I haven't seen calls for that already. Not that it will matter.

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#1289112 22-Apr-2015 11:40

ajobbins:
KiwiNZ: I can see calls for his resignation. I ask myself what would he do if this were one of his Ministers or a member of one of the other parties.

I'm surprised I haven't seen calls for that already. Not that it will matter.

Thankfully.

He should be admonished and apologise, and that should be the end of it (Again assuming the facts are accurate and provided in correct context). We are a small country though and this will go on for weeks no doubt.

edit: He has already apologised. If the country has any sense it will now move on and focus on issues that affect more than a single person, like unemployment, Christchurch rebuild or the housing market.

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#1289116 22-Apr-2015 11:43

networkn:
ajobbins:
KiwiNZ: I can see calls for his resignation. I ask myself what would he do if this were one of his Ministers or a member of one of the other parties.

I'm surprised I haven't seen calls for that already. Not that it will matter.

Thankfully.

He should be admonished and apologise, and that should be the end of it (Again assuming the facts are accurate and provided in correct context). We are a small country though and this will go on for weeks no doubt.

If this were to occur in a team I managed sexual harassment procedures would be taking place. I had zero tolerance for this. I believe as a society we should demand better from leaders and role models.

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#1289129 22-Apr-2015 11:46

It's creepy, it's wierd, and given it's not just a repeat offense against this woman but apparently something he regularly does (cue footage of him touching the young girls pony tail) its bordering on being fetish like.

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#1289131 22-Apr-2015 11:48

Demeter:
itxtme: Agreed, but without criminal intent it is not assault. If I shoulder tap you and you didnt want me to shoulder tap you (I didnt know you didnt want me to) by your reckoning that would be assault.

In some cultures touching someone's hair is a sign of respect and greeting. In others, you have basically sexually harassed someone's wife/daughter. Shoulder tapping is not even in the same stratosphere as pulling on hair.

We could debate all day what country hair touching is ok,bad etc. the law is clear and requires criminal intent, do you seriously think a prosecutor would charge him with assault for what was shown in the gif on page 1???

Again my personal view is touching someones hair like this is weird, inappropriate, and stupid.

But it is not at a level I would consider assault. If he did it again, after being told not to, then we have criminal intent. Just like if I shoulder tapped you again after being asked not to, it does become assault (criminal intent).

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#1289133 22-Apr-2015 11:49

KiwiNZ:
networkn:
ajobbins:
KiwiNZ: I can see calls for his resignation. I ask myself what would he do if this were one of his Ministers or a member of one of the other parties.

I'm surprised I haven't seen calls for that already. Not that it will matter.

Thankfully.

He should be admonished and apologise, and that should be the end of it (Again assuming the facts are accurate and provided in correct context). We are a small country though and this will go on for weeks no doubt.

If this were to occur in a team I managed sexual harassment procedures would be taking place. I had zero tolerance for this. I believe as a society we should demand better from leaders and role models.

Wow, that seems an over-reaction, especially as, as soon as the waitress asked him to stop, he did, then apologised. Perhaps if she had said "please don't touch my hair PM" at the outset, the drama could have been avoided

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