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mudguard
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  #2820586 28-Nov-2021 14:31
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afe66:

 

Gatekeeping ?

 

If a little electric assistance get some people out into the great outdoors how does that impact you?

 

Seems a little mean spirited.

 

Friends of mine love going riding with their parents.

 

 

Perhaps a little. My objections are relatively minor. I think it will evolve the way trails are built. There's no need for gentle gradient climbs for examples and in my experience it's the climbs that have the pressure points. So split the two where you can.

 

The bike industry has encouraged their adoption but they simply aren't the same thing. I have no affinity with someone who has a 750W motor to help, we just aren't doing the same activity. I ride a lot in the North Island, a lot at Woodhill, there are some spots where riders often pull over after a climb and get their breath back. When someone goes past on a bike without stopping I'm in awe or determined next time not to take that break, when someone goes past on a e-bike I don't feel anything. 

 

We are going off topic but where it will get interesting is how trails are managed, for years difficult descents or trails were either hidden, or at the end of hard to reach places, so you either had to be fit or determined to get to them. Now with an e-bike almost everyone regardless of skill or fitness can get to some of these trails. And often they don't have an easier option. They've never needed to. So it will need a rethink of how trails are built. 

 

I get it, mountainbiking is hard, take a few weeks off riding and you can absolutely suffer when you join back with your regular group. The ones in my group that have started using e-bikes have split off, there is no point them riding slowly for 30kms when they can do a 60km ride. 

 

Who knows, the way my hip is going and various other bits and pieces, I may be tempted. But I also rather like the look of KTM's Freeride. Now when someone turns up at Woodhill and claims, e-bike, look pedals!




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  #2820641 28-Nov-2021 15:09
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My mother took up cycling in late 60s as a social retirement sport exploring cycle trails near where she lived. Joined pensioner cycle group.

Did the otago rail trail, mountain to sea trails but then in 70s started to feel the hills too much and had a hip replacement and seemed a bit down that cycling was getting too hard. I suggested she get an electric bike which has been great success

Last month she (78) had a holiday in wanaka and did 50km rides including some of the easier off road ones and had a great time. Buzzing with excitement.


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  #2820644 28-Nov-2021 15:30
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Dingbatt:

 

Good on her for signalling her virtue by posting it on social media. The article didn’t say how her partner got to the hospital because although the cycle appeared to have a baby pod on the front, it wasn’t a tandem. Likewise, the members of her birthing team were probably all within walking distance.

 

I’m positive she would have also ensured that the hospital she cycled to didn’t use fossil fuels to power its boilers and that, in the event of an electricity outage diesel powered generators would not be used.

 

Also no disposable plastics or artificially derived pain relief used. Just bite down on a stick.
And heaven forbid that the newborn needed to go to Starship hospital, think of the carbon footprint!

 

 

Not her first time 

 

But ,last time it was because there was no room in the car..with the rest of her "support crew"...

 

Now I would have usually thought you put the person having the baby in the car first, and then work out how to get everyone else to the hospital, but maybe my logic is faulty..

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/106388432/green-mp-julie-anne-genter-bikes-to-hospital-to-be-induced

 

 




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  #2820737 28-Nov-2021 19:44
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nzkc:

 

I am no doctor...

 

The womb is probably the safest place for an unborn baby.

 

Maybe she should have skate boarded then


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  #2820744 28-Nov-2021 20:35
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Dingbatt:

 

Kind of reminds me of Monty Python’s The Meaning of Life.

 

 

 

”The Third World…….Yorkshire”.

 

 

Now I'm going to have the song in my head all night...


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  #2821030 29-Nov-2021 13:16
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Batman:

 

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/green-mp-julie-anne-genter-bikes-give-birth

 

"Green MP Julie Anne Genter cycled to hospital at 2am today while in labour, before giving birth to a health baby girl."

 

I have to say ... impressive!

 

(PS i don't think it is a publicity stunt, maybe it is, nonetheless still impressive!)

 

 

I guess she didn't have much of a choice. If she didn't, her bike loving followers may have laid into her for being a hypocrite. I do wonder if the hospital will allow her to leave and get back on her bike for the trip home, capsule and all.


 
 
 
 

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  #2821031 29-Nov-2021 13:24
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Dulouz:

 

Bung: Also impressed but I'll be the grinch who points out the electric assist on her bike...

 

You mean her coal powered bike - https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/444472/new-zealand-s-use-of-coal-for-electricity-generation-surges 

 

 

Maybe she has a solar powered home.

 

I prefer to say well done. Impressive indeed. Cycling in pain is not easy even on an E-Bike





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  #2821049 29-Nov-2021 13:51
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tdgeek:

 

Hardly a safe environment for the unborn baby to travel

 

 

All about a photo op and show. 





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  #2821052 29-Nov-2021 14:06
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insane:

Batman:


https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/green-mp-julie-anne-genter-bikes-give-birth


"Green MP Julie Anne Genter cycled to hospital at 2am today while in labour, before giving birth to a health baby girl."


I have to say ... impressive!


(PS i don't think it is a publicity stunt, maybe it is, nonetheless still impressive!)



I guess she didn't have much of a choice. If she didn't, her bike loving followers may have laid into her for being a hypocrite. I do wonder if the hospital will allow her to leave and get back on her bike for the trip home, capsule and all.



I don't agree. How many green MPs fly around the world (you could argue you can do a zoom meeting) and don't bike to hospital to give birth?

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  #2821067 29-Nov-2021 14:38
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Can we save all the carbon in building the bike, and shipping it from other side of the world :-) 

A donkey perhaps, manure for the garden and less green house gases than a horse, or cow, don't have to mow lawn either ? 
Its not native, but genetically engineering the return of a Moa to ride would be wrong. 

 

Grow a tree, fell it, mill the timber by hand and make a wooden bike ?
Find a bamboo grove, its not a native so ripe for culling, extra points perhaps.
Finding a natural local material for tires might be tricky, sold wheels, ouch. 

 

Simpler would be an A frame with said bamboo, add some weaved flax, 
and support people can drag you to hospital. 
Wheels are such a hassle. 

 

Its not easy being green. 
Muppets - Kermit - Its not easy being green
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  #2821068 29-Nov-2021 14:39
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Good Lord going by this thread she would be damned if she took a car, bus, ambulance, walked, stayed home. Unbelievable.





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  #2821070 29-Nov-2021 14:39
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afe66: My mother took up cycling in late 60s as a social retirement sport exploring cycle trails near where she lived. Joined pensioner cycle group.

Did the otago rail trail, mountain to sea trails but then in 70s started to feel the hills too much and had a hip replacement and seemed a bit down that cycling was getting too hard. I suggested she get an electric bike which has been great success

Last month she (78) had a holiday in wanaka and did 50km rides including some of the easier off road ones and had a great time. Buzzing with excitement.

 

And those are awesome uses of e-bikes, hell for the rail trail I'd consider one. But that's just it, it wasn't purpose built single-track with mountain bike gradient concerns. I wonder how those who use non-motorized lakes for kayaking, sailing etc, would react to a electric pedal assist kayak? An electric leisure boat?

 

I have no idea if they make them. As I mentioned, the only pain points are the climbs. I might be slogging my guts out at 180bpm in granny gear doing six or seven km/h knowing that I need to keep an ear out for the more fit. E-bikes can ascend much quicker so there's less warning. 

 

 


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  #2821072 29-Nov-2021 14:43
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MikeB4:

 

Good Lord going by this thread she would be damned if she took a car, bus, ambulance, walked, stayed home. Unbelievable.

 

 

Home births R US :).... but that is an entire different thread.... :)


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  #2821074 29-Nov-2021 14:45
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It must be really hard being a middle-aged (/old) white male. There are so many things you all seem to feel the need to get outraged about...


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  #2821078 29-Nov-2021 14:55
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chevrolux:

 

It must be really hard being a middle-aged (/old) white male. There are so many things you all seem to feel the need to get outraged about...

 

 

 

 

Forums would be a very quiet place if we weren't allowed to complain :) 


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