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#1932827 9-Jan-2018 13:46

I once dated a Vegetarian, not only did she not mind if I cooked and ate meat, she would happily (ish) cook meat for me. This was not something I stipulated, but rather something she offered to do.

There is one word, more important than any other single word, that every person should focus on and make their 2018 resolution. That word is....

Tolerance.

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#1932976 9-Jan-2018 16:52

networkn:

People these days love to be upset. Drives me nuts. I am occasionally guilty of it myself, I don't think anyone is immune.

If we aren't careful there will be no free speech left. We will all be little identical robots who conform to an ever smaller box of acceptable behaviours.

There's a hell of a gulf between the concept of people being "upset" - and their ability to restrict your right to free speech.

I think you're dreaming if you think free speech / liberty is under threat from these people expressing "faux moral outrage".

We're probably freer to say and do anything we like than at any time for thousands of years.

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#1932977 9-Jan-2018 16:56

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networkn:

People these days love to be upset. Drives me nuts. I am occasionally guilty of it myself, I don't think anyone is immune.

If we aren't careful there will be no free speech left. We will all be little identical robots who conform to an ever smaller box of acceptable behaviours.

There's a hell of a gulf between the concept of people being "upset" - and their ability to restrict your right to free speech.

I think you're dreaming if you think free speech / liberty is under threat from these people expressing "faux moral outrage".

We're probably freer to say and do anything we like than at any time for thousands of years.

You believe that there are more things you used to NOT be able to say 10 years ago that you can say now, as opposed to things you used to be able to say 10 years ago now that are social no-no's now?

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#1934353 10-Jan-2018 09:55

I'm gonna smoke a fag

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#1935363 10-Jan-2018 10:08

SepticSceptic:

I'm gonna smoke a fag

That is wrong on so many levels!

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#1935365 10-Jan-2018 10:11

networkn:

You believe that there are more things you used to NOT be able to say 10 years ago that you can say now, as opposed to things you used to be able to say 10 years ago now that are social no-no's now?

For what it's worth, I think both of you are partly right. Things can be discussed today that couldn't be mentioned in the past without causing apoplexy, but words and labels that used to be acceptable no longer are. I think it cuts both ways.

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#1935370 10-Jan-2018 10:17

Rikkitic:

networkn:

You believe that there are more things you used to NOT be able to say 10 years ago that you can say now, as opposed to things you used to be able to say 10 years ago now that are social no-no's now?

For what it's worth, I think both of you are partly right. Things can be discussed today that couldn't be mentioned in the past without causing apoplexy, but words and labels that used to be acceptable no longer are. I think it cuts both ways.

Well, it comes back to a little tolerance. People seem to look for a reason to get upset, I am over it.

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#1935375 10-Jan-2018 10:24

So does this upset you?

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#1935843 10-Jan-2018 21:03

networkn:

The point of my original post, was around the fact that it's nearly impossible to breath without offending someone. Seems like every 5 minutes there is a news article about someone in trouble for doing something perfectly normal, but now some new fringe group is offended by it. Worse still more and more we are being curbed as to what we can say, do, eat, or participate in.

This morning I read that the UK Police posted morning breakfast photo, and some twit got offended on behalf of *vegans* because it had eggs, and bacon, and sausages.

I mean... seriously?

Yeah because calling someone a twit on the internet makes you so awesome. It's doubly hilarious when a few posts up you're going around espousing tolerance.

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#1935844 10-Jan-2018 21:13

dejadeadnz:

networkn:

The point of my original post, was around the fact that it's nearly impossible to breath without offending someone. Seems like every 5 minutes there is a news article about someone in trouble for doing something perfectly normal, but now some new fringe group is offended by it. Worse still more and more we are being curbed as to what we can say, do, eat, or participate in.

This morning I read that the UK Police posted morning breakfast photo, and some twit got offended on behalf of *vegans* because it had eggs, and bacon, and sausages.

I mean... seriously?

Yeah because calling someone a twit on the internet makes you so awesome. It's doubly hilarious when a few posts up you're going around espousing tolerance.

There is a difference between a Vegan getting upset, and someone getting upset on behalf of Vegans.

@dejadeadnz Have a better day soon.

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#1935855 10-Jan-2018 21:40

I am feeling rather fine. And had a great laugh. I'm not getting worked up about what others want to feel though!

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#1939048 15-Jan-2018 13:41

I prefer not to see offensive statements about things people have no choice in - race, sex, sexual orientation, appearance, mental illness etc.

But beyond that I think all ideas, statements and behaviours should be up for criticism and mockery.

There are large amounts of people waiting for a comment or action by others to pounce on and get shrill. I think it's becoming less effective as people just get sick of it. But it is tiresome.

I know I've blocked plenty of people on Linkedin who use it as a platform for shrill activism.

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#1939108 15-Jan-2018 14:42

I don't much feel I need protection from seeing offensive statements. I find it strange that society evolved from caves to supersonic fighters and men on the moon without being overly worried about being offended but in the last 10 years, being offended etc seems to have overtaken just about every other endeavour of mankind.

Bizarre.

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#1939138 15-Jan-2018 15:30

This is one of the weirder statements I have seen in that I both agree and disagree in about equal proportions. I agree in principle that people should be free to say whatever they like, and others should not be so easily offended. Grown-ups ought to be able to cope with hearing things they don’t approve of. In any case, I also don’t feel I need protection from seeing offensive statements.

At the same time, there are twisted creatures who feel emboldened by the sick pronouncements of other diseased minds and see this as license to slither from their dark places to tear at the very roots of civilised society. Taking offence at gross language and disgusting labels is also taking a necessary stand against an avalanche of bad behaviour that starts with a few choice insults and culminates in a slide to barbarity. The problem, as always, is figuring out where to draw the line. We should not be too easily offended, but neither should we become indifferent to genuine evil.

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#1939153 15-Jan-2018 16:07

Geektastic:

I don't much feel I need protection from seeing offensive statements. I find it strange that society evolved from caves to supersonic fighters and men on the moon without being overly worried about being offended but in the last 10 years, being offended etc seems to have overtaken just about every other endeavour of mankind.

Bizarre.

10 years ago there was no platform for mass broadcasting one's 'offendedness'. You could complain to the person who offended you and/or to a small group of people who would briefly sympathise and then life would move on.

Now there is the internet which increases the opportunity to access material that may cause offence and the reach from loudly proclaiming one offendedness. Many many people will reward your offendedness by liking what you said. I imagine it could get addictive. More offence more sympathy.

I also think it has become an art form to over analyse language from a biased perspective, looking for offensive meta-messages. It's a tool for silencing and demonising those you see as your opponents. and again, with the internet there is more material to analyse.

Everyone with an axe to grind is lining up to pounce on opportunities to be offended. They are even happy to be offended on behalf of people who are not actually offended themselves or even on behalf of dead animals.

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