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#2117521 31-Oct-2018 19:10

Rikkitic:

It looks like the government may well have to backtrack on this (yet again). Don't they check anything before diving in? I really want to like this government but I do sure wish they would quit shooting themselves in the foot. If National does get back into power, it will probably be Labour who put them there.

You mention a good point here on all the back tracking. Why don't they take more time to consider their policies/actions? They seem to do a lot off the cuff without considering the consequences fully.

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#2117527 31-Oct-2018 19:40

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Rikkitic:

It looks like the government may well have to backtrack on this (yet again). Don't they check anything before diving in? I really want to like this government but I do sure wish they would quit shooting themselves in the foot. If National does get back into power, it will probably be Labour who put them there.

You mention a good point here on all the back tracking. Why don't they take more time to consider their policies/actions? They seem to do a lot off the cuff without considering the consequences fully.

It cuts both ways, no party is flawless. Cut them some slack as its a new Govt after 9 years, same for Bridges, but in this particular issue, he needs to be fired and Labour needs to take ownership. I've seen FAR worse on Border Security TV

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Far worse as in non entry for far less issues.

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#2118052 1-Nov-2018 19:24

Immigration Minister orders investigation...

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#2118057 1-Nov-2018 19:40

Just read that he is wanted in the Czech Republic for injuring a police officer!!!!!

How can NZ Immigration get this so wrong in the first place, and then when serious questions were being asked they stuck to their decision.

This guy came into NZ on a fake passport, deal drugs in NZ and is currently in jail.

Unbelievable stuff. He never deserved NZ's protection because he is a serious criminal here.

Someone has to resign.

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#2118616 2-Nov-2018 15:26

An interesting point raised in an RNZ piece about this. Lees-Galloway has emphasised throughout that he was acting on information and advice from officials. If that information was inaccurate or inadequate, it will be argued that he wasn't to blame for getting it wrong.

So what is a minister's responsibility in this regard? How can a minister have confidence in the information provided? How can the minister verify that information? Blaming others seems like a cop-out, but how can you be sure that the others are doing their job properly? You have to be able to trust them. What is fair in a situation like this?

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#2118633 2-Nov-2018 15:58

Rikkitic:

An interesting point raised in an RNZ piece about this. Lees-Galloway has emphasised throughout that he was acting on information and advice from officials. If that information was inaccurate or inadequate, it will be argued that he wasn't to blame for getting it wrong.

So what is a minister's responsibility in this regard? How can a minister have confidence in the information provided? How can the minister verify that information? Blaming others seems like a cop-out, but how can you be sure that the others are doing their job properly? You have to be able to trust them. What is fair in a situation like this?

The Minister has the ultimate responsibility.

I wouldn't be sad to see him resign.

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#2118634 2-Nov-2018 16:02

As do ministers in the previous government who allowed him to stay when his passport was found to be fake. Looks like a long trail of events here..

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#2118722 2-Nov-2018 20:09

Bluntj:

Just read that he is wanted in the Czech Republic for injuring a police officer!!!!!

How can NZ Immigration get this so wrong in the first place, and then when serious questions were being asked they stuck to their decision.

This guy came into NZ on a fake passport, deal drugs in NZ and is currently in jail.

Unbelievable stuff. He never deserved NZ's protection because he is a serious criminal here.

Someone has to resign.

I agree

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#2118725 2-Nov-2018 20:13

Rikkitic:

An interesting point raised in an RNZ piece about this. Lees-Galloway has emphasised throughout that he was acting on information and advice from officials. If that information was inaccurate or inadequate, it will be argued that he wasn't to blame for getting it wrong.

So what is a minister's responsibility in this regard? How can a minister have confidence in the information provided? How can the minister verify that information? Blaming others seems like a cop-out, but how can you be sure that the others are doing their job properly? You have to be able to trust them. What is fair in a situation like this?

Its hard to say. If it was marginal, cut some slack, but while I voted Labour last time, its not marginal to me. Maybe he turned himself around, brought money in (not that money) maybe he gave info to nab others, Im unsure. Im not sure where JA's read between the lines comes in, but we need more info

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#2118726 2-Nov-2018 20:14

gzt: As do ministers in the previous government who allowed him to stay when his passport was found to be fake. Looks like a long trail of events here..

That's interesting. Not from a blue vs red, but if thats the case there must be more to this than meets the eye

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#2121087 6-Nov-2018 19:03

tdgeek:

gzt: As do ministers in the previous government who allowed him to stay when his passport was found to be fake. Looks like a long trail of events here..

That's interesting. Not from a blue vs red, but if thats the case there must be more to this than meets the eye

My understanding is as he was discharged without conviction on the false passport, he could not be deported. There are two incidents where judges chose to be lenient on him which I believe had repercussions in terms of him not being automatically flagged for deportation.

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#2121427 7-Nov-2018 11:46

GV27:

tdgeek:

gzt: As do ministers in the previous government who allowed him to stay when his passport was found to be fake. Looks like a long trail of events here..

That's interesting. Not from a blue vs red, but if thats the case there must be more to this than meets the eye

My understanding is as he was discharged without conviction on the false passport, he could not be deported. There are two incidents where judges chose to be lenient on him which I believe had repercussions in terms of him not being automatically flagged for deportation.

Makes sense

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#2134731 26-Nov-2018 17:10

Decision on Karel Sroubek should be imminent.

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#2134952 27-Nov-2018 00:37

freitasm:

Decision on Karel Sroubek should be imminent.

Lets hope some common sense will prevail this time. I read somewhere quite recently that the Immigration Officials expected the Minister to deport this guy and the file was written and sumarised accordingly. Just wasnt read correctly.

I am sure the Governments spin doctors will be working their magic on this before it is released.

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#2135949 28-Nov-2018 13:15

Just in: the minister has done an about face and that guy is gonna be deported.

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