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#1868330 19-Sep-2017 07:36

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Aside from party bias :-) I dont see her policies as the last 9 years worth. I see the old and boring Labour workers policies being brought up to date, the days of down with businesses and lets have a strike are long long gone. Both are central parties. Many policies in this election you could see on either side

The Labour industrial relations policy is a pearler - they are perhaps lucky that has not been given as much scrutiny as their other policies - it's very much back to 'down with business'

I'm not sure who wins either. Both parties have run uninspiring campaigns with flip-flops and where they have failed to stay on message. I am concerned the Nats have as much of an issue as Labour does, which isn't an admirable quality in Government. I'd definitely be better off under National but I would far rather they acted like Labour in many ways.

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#1868337 19-Sep-2017 07:51

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Aside from party bias :-) I dont see her policies as the last 9 years worth. I see the old and boring Labour workers policies being brought up to date, the days of down with businesses and lets have a strike are long long gone. Both are central parties. Many policies in this election you could see on either side

The Labour industrial relations policy is a pearler - they are perhaps lucky that has not been given as much scrutiny as their other policies - it's very much back to 'down with business'

I'm not sure who wins either. Both parties have run uninspiring campaigns with flip-flops and where they have failed to stay on message. I am concerned the Nats have as much of an issue as Labour does, which isn't an admirable quality in Government. I'd definitely be better off under National but I would far rather they acted like Labour in many ways.

Yes, it is a bit of a mix. Why better off under National? Tax cuts plus no extra cents added to wine and some vegetables? (I dont buy the tax tax tax that Nats have hammered Labour with). I have a house to sell soon (not CGT affected), unsure how that will go under either to be honest.

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#1868338 19-Sep-2017 08:00

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Yes, it is a bit of a mix. Why better off under National? Tax cuts plus no extra cents added to wine and some vegetables? (I dont buy the tax tax tax that Nats have hammered Labour with). I have a house to sell soon (not CGT affected), unsure how that will go under either to be honest.

No tax increase + doubling of the HomeStart grant would be a huge help in getting into our first home. Tax cut $2K for our household and then the doubled HomeStart grants. Nothing for us under Labour as we don't have kids yet (and are therefore not considered a 'family').

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#1868346 19-Sep-2017 08:03

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tdgeek:

Yes, it is a bit of a mix. Why better off under National? Tax cuts plus no extra cents added to wine and some vegetables? (I dont buy the tax tax tax that Nats have hammered Labour with). I have a house to sell soon (not CGT affected), unsure how that will go under either to be honest.

No tax increase + doubling of the HomeStart grant would be a huge help in getting into our first home. Tax cut $2K for our household and then the doubled HomeStart grants. Nothing for us under Labour as we don't have kids yet (and are therefore not considered a 'family').

Cool. No brainer. Even if you preferred Labour, those are biggies for you, so vote blue (Good slogan! )

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#1868362 19-Sep-2017 08:34

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Cool. No brainer. Even if you preferred Labour, those are biggies for you, so vote blue (Good slogan! )

I am extremely reluctant to do so on account of National doing sod all until the last few weeks. But it is what it is.

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#1868363 19-Sep-2017 08:37

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I think she has painted herself into a corner with Farmers.

For a moment there I wondered what Adern had done to p!ss off the department store; then I realised you meant farmers, not Farmers!

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#1868369 19-Sep-2017 08:44

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I think she has painted herself into a corner with Farmers.

For a moment there I wondered what Adern had done to p!ss off the department store; then I realised you meant farmers, not Farmers!

LOL

Farmers, the ones with gumboots, aren't her target market. She was never getting their vote. Conversely, why National has no plan to clean the waterways, that affects their target market. Had Labour given a rough idea of effect to allay the farmers going broke comments, that would have helped, but their campaign strategy has been very poor, and Nats have jumped on that like a Ferrari at Monza

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#1868443 19-Sep-2017 10:34

Jacinda has signs up in rural areas saying "Strong Regions". I drove past one in Blenheim at the weekend. The Blenheim economy relies heavily on wine, which relies heavily on irrigation.

Jacinda plans to tax water use and agricultural emissions and to invest (mainly) in Auckland housing and infrastructure. Those taxes are money that will be sucked out of the regions and into treasury. How will that make the regions 'strong'? How does she expect main centres (like Auckland) to function as service centres if the real economy suffers?

She still hasn't explained where all that $17B extra tax revenue in her year-3 budget comes from - especially give her recent back-down on new taxes (excluding water and emissions).

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#1868448 19-Sep-2017 10:44

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LOL

Farmers, the ones with gumboots, aren't her target market. She was never getting their vote. Conversely, why National has no plan to clean the waterways, that affects their target market. Had Labour given a rough idea of effect to allay the farmers going broke comments, that would have helped, but their campaign strategy has been very poor, and Nats have jumped on that like a Ferrari at Monza

Interesting weekly politics discussion on RNZ yesterday, on which they talked about the ever-moving targeting by the political parties - the young and female deserting National for Labour, and in turn the attempt by National to eat into New Zealand First's vote, all the more obvious given that party's attempts this year to target rural/provincial NZ.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/201858913/political-commentators-stephen-mills-and-matthew-hooton

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#1868450 19-Sep-2017 10:51

Hooten makes my skin crawl. I can't watch him or listen to him.

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#1868453 19-Sep-2017 10:55

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Jacinda has signs up in rural areas saying "Strong Regions". I drove past one in Blenheim at the weekend. The Blenheim economy relies heavily on wine, which relies heavily on irrigation.

Jacinda plans to tax water use and agricultural emissions and to invest (mainly) in Auckland housing and infrastructure. Those taxes are money that will be sucked out of the regions and into treasury. How will that make the regions 'strong'? How does she expect main centres (like Auckland) to function as service centres if the real economy suffers?

She still hasn't explained where all that $17B extra tax revenue in her year-3 budget comes from - especially give her recent back-down on new taxes (excluding water and emissions).

What will the $ effect be on each bottle of wine? And on vegetables?

Edit, how many farmers affected?

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#1868470 19-Sep-2017 11:38

tdgeek:

MikeAqua:

Jacinda has signs up in rural areas saying "Strong Regions". I drove past one in Blenheim at the weekend. The Blenheim economy relies heavily on wine, which relies heavily on irrigation.

Jacinda plans to tax water use and agricultural emissions and to invest (mainly) in Auckland housing and infrastructure. Those taxes are money that will be sucked out of the regions and into treasury. How will that make the regions 'strong'? How does she expect main centres (like Auckland) to function as service centres if the real economy suffers?

She still hasn't explained where all that $17B extra tax revenue in her year-3 budget comes from - especially give her recent back-down on new taxes (excluding water and emissions).

What will the $ effect be on each bottle of wine? And on vegetables?

Edit, how many farmers affected?

Well, no-one knows. That's the issue.

I'd suggest there will be an increase in the price of fresh vegetables and fruit from the water tax.

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#1868482 19-Sep-2017 11:51

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tdgeek:

MikeAqua:

Jacinda has signs up in rural areas saying "Strong Regions". I drove past one in Blenheim at the weekend. The Blenheim economy relies heavily on wine, which relies heavily on irrigation.

Jacinda plans to tax water use and agricultural emissions and to invest (mainly) in Auckland housing and infrastructure. Those taxes are money that will be sucked out of the regions and into treasury. How will that make the regions 'strong'? How does she expect main centres (like Auckland) to function as service centres if the real economy suffers?

She still hasn't explained where all that $17B extra tax revenue in her year-3 budget comes from - especially give her recent back-down on new taxes (excluding water and emissions).

What will the $ effect be on each bottle of wine? And on vegetables?

Edit, how many farmers affected?

Well, no-one knows. That's the issue.

I'd suggest there will be an increase in the price of fresh vegetables and fruit from the water tax.

When confronted by the ridiculous $75 per bottle of wine lie, she said cents, so at worse, thats 99c. Call it a donation to cleaning the waterways. Someone here posted a link the other day on expected vege price increases. That was cents per kg, and not all veges. Fruit, I doubt they irrigate. Farms, most are not affected, and its more South Island

But the bottom line is, what is a sound tax for a real problem, is being taken out of context. Mountain out of a molehil, tax tax tax. If the TWG increased 18 taxes, well thats happened before. So its not about the water tax its about a strategy to get elected, and ignoring the facts, and that how campaigning works

Whats Nationals policy to clean the waterways? None. That will upset the farmers, so monitor the waterways, and look at some grasses that reduce farts, thats what they are doing. Anything will help, including the experimental grasses, but few want clean waterways it seems

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#1868487 19-Sep-2017 12:01

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When confronted by the ridiculous $75 per bottle of wine lie, she said cents, so at worse, thats 99c. Call it a donation to cleaning the waterways. Someone here posted a link the other day on expected vege price increases. That was cents per kg, and not all veges. Fruit, I doubt they irrigate. Farms, most are not affected, and its more South Island

But the bottom line is, what is a sound tax for a real problem, is being taken out of context. Mountain out of a molehil, tax tax tax. If the TWG increased 18 taxes, well thats happened before. So its not about the water tax its about a strategy to get elected, and ignoring the facts, and that how campaigning works

Whats Nationals policy to clean the waterways? None. That will upset the farmers, so monitor the waterways, and look at some grasses that reduce farts, thats what they are doing. Anything will help, including the experimental grasses, but few want clean waterways it seems

I suggest reading up on nationals water plans, it's far from nothing. I don't recall specifics but it's definitely not "nothing".

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#1868488 19-Sep-2017 12:02

networkn:

Hooten makes my skin crawl. I can't watch him or listen to him.

That's so funny to me as only this morning I was thinking you two have a similar obsession with knocking JA at any chance you're given!

This isn't meant as a comparison in terms of personalities - more that this thread has been punctuated by you making the very same points re JA on a regular basis.

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