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#2823343 2-Dec-2021 17:24

Virtue -> Doing what you believe in. Particularly for the betterment of people. JAG gets a big tick.

Virtue Signalling -> Videoing it and putting it on social media.

I don’t dislike JAG (so your sureness is misplaced). She is a politician following what she believes in.

Similarly, I may disagree with some Green Party policies, but to like, dislike, hate or love anything in politics is infantile and a waste of emotion.

And with this latest birth at least she has finally delivered something….*

*Joking

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#2823349 2-Dec-2021 17:42

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To be clear - I didn't mean a male National MP giving birth. I meant a male, National MP practising what they preach.

Also, is it really virtue signalling if it's something you genuinely believe in and you actually do the thing? Doing the thing you think is right/tell other people to do is by definition not simple virtue signalling. Also your points around whether the hospital burn fossil fuels are not exactly in her control - but her chosen method of transport is. I am sure that you don't like JAG and the Greens so you are happy to write off anything they do as virtue signalling.

Of course it is virtue signalling.

As has already been pointed out, if she was THAT worried about her impact on the planet she wouldn't be doing almost the worst thing that can be done to the planet, which is to add more humans.

The Greens policy is very confused. Save the planet, but also make it easier and offer more support to people who have more kids.

The Greens have long been more about their socialist policies than their ecology affecting ones, something that causes quite some conflict inside the Greens themselves

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#2823357 2-Dec-2021 18:05

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As has already been pointed out, if she was THAT worried about her impact on the planet she wouldn't be doing almost the worst thing that can be done to the planet, which is to add more humans.

The Greens policy is very confused. Save the planet, but also make it easier and offer more support to people who have more kids.

I don't want to be offensive, but if you really believe that, shouldn't you be offering up a couple of your own? There is an unwritten rule in politics that the families of politicians should be untouchable. The decision to have children is such a personal and fundamental matter that the same should apply here. The fact that Genter was cycling to give birth is the story. The fact that she was giving birth is not.

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#2823371 2-Dec-2021 18:56

Rikkitic:

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As has already been pointed out, if she was THAT worried about her impact on the planet she wouldn't be doing almost the worst thing that can be done to the planet, which is to add more humans.

The Greens policy is very confused. Save the planet, but also make it easier and offer more support to people who have more kids.

I don't want to be offensive, but if you really believe that, shouldn't you be offering up a couple of your own? There is an unwritten rule in politics that the families of politicians should be untouchable. The decision to have children is such a personal and fundamental matter that the same should apply here. The fact that Genter was cycling to give birth is the story. The fact that she was giving birth is not.

Oh I am not offended at all. The difference is, I am not spending my days lecturing others on their carbon footprint and screaming about impending doom caused by humans etc. I am not being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and setting policy to reduce carbon emissions and tut tutting those who aren't meeting the standards that will apparently save the planet.

She herself opened herself up to open commentary on her choices, when she used publically available social media to virtue signal because she chose to cycle to a hospital instead of taking some other form of transport because it's better for the planet.

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#2823388 2-Dec-2021 19:38

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Oh I am not offended at all. The difference is, I am not spending my days lecturing others on their carbon footprint and screaming about impending doom caused by humans etc. I am not being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and setting policy to reduce carbon emissions and tut tutting those who aren't meeting the standards that will apparently save the planet.

She herself opened herself up to open commentary on her choices, when she used publically available social media to virtue signal because she chose to cycle to a hospital instead of taking some other form of transport because it's better for the planet.

You are not the first person, or the only one, to make a big deal about the salaries of Green Ministers, or Labour ones, for that matter. Were you the one carping about the PM's salary the other day, or was that someone else?

Our MPs, who may or may not become ministers, are representatives chosen by a political process accepted by the majority of New Zealand citizens. If you don't like it, there are mechanisms to change it. And as you well know, politicians are also not directly involved in determining their salaries. This makes comments like yours a cheap shot that is beneath you. There are legitimate grounds for criticising the words and actions of our politicians. This is not one of them.

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#2823410 2-Dec-2021 20:57

Rikkitic:

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Oh I am not offended at all. The difference is, I am not spending my days lecturing others on their carbon footprint and screaming about impending doom caused by humans etc. I am not being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and setting policy to reduce carbon emissions and tut tutting those who aren't meeting the standards that will apparently save the planet.

She herself opened herself up to open commentary on her choices, when she used publically available social media to virtue signal because she chose to cycle to a hospital instead of taking some other form of transport because it's better for the planet.

You are not the first person, or the only one, to make a big deal about the salaries of Green Ministers, or Labour ones, for that matter. Were you the one carping about the PM's salary the other day, or was that someone else?

Our MPs, who may or may not become ministers, are representatives chosen by a political process accepted by the majority of New Zealand citizens. If you don't like it, there are mechanisms to change it. And as you well know, politicians are also not directly involved in determining their salaries. This makes comments like yours a cheap shot that is beneath you. There are legitimate grounds for criticising the words and actions of our politicians. This is not one of them.

Haha, nice redirect. That wasn't the point I was making at all, but I think you knew that already.

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#2823504 3-Dec-2021 08:31

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She herself opened herself up to open commentary on her choices, when she used publically available social media to virtue signal because she chose to cycle to a hospital instead of taking some other form of transport because it's better for the planet.

I'd say scrutiny of her track record as associate transport minister and the deathly silence of the Greens as Light Rail in Auckland descended into farce is about as far as you need go to draw a meaningful conclusion.

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#2823575 3-Dec-2021 09:00

I’m more interested in the impact the ride would have had on the labouring process.

Part of me thinks it could cause a longer labour. On the other hand they do suggest things like walking along an uneven surface (a footpath kerb is one suggestion) in order to get the labour process started.

Assuming she was already in labour, home remedies to start the process are perhaps less important, but would this ride have caused an easier or harder labour?

If it’s virtue signalling that has the potential to make things harder on yourself and your baby, it’s an interesting choice to make.

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#2823608 3-Dec-2021 10:11

Obviously a slow news day, when the virtue signalling of a green mp is a headline.

In the video below 1:20 onwards is all I have to say about her ability in Parliament.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/10/07/roadside-drug-testing-given-green-light-despite-evidence-of-being-unreliable/

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#2823618 3-Dec-2021 10:27

This has become an attack thread and it is very unpleasant. Genter is being singled out because she is a woman and a Green. She may well be the worst MP in the history of New Zealand, but that has nothing to do with the kinds of criticisms that are being levelled at her, all of which stem from male disapproval of her publicly cycling to give birth. Apart from that, it is not difficult to cherry-pick embarrassing and awkward moments caught on camera from anyone in the public eye. We all have bad moments and singling those out is just a cheap trick.

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#2823620 3-Dec-2021 10:29

Dulouz:

Bung: Also impressed but I'll be the grinch who points out the electric assist on her bike...

You mean her coal powered bike - https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/444472/new-zealand-s-use-of-coal-for-electricity-generation-surges

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#2823624 3-Dec-2021 10:34

Rikkitic:

This has become an attack thread and it is very unpleasant. Genter is being singled out because she is a woman and a Green. She may well be the worst MP in the history of New Zealand, but that has nothing to do with the kinds of criticisms that are being levelled at her, all of which stem from male disapproval of her publicly cycling to give birth. Apart from that, it is not difficult to cherry-pick embarrassing and awkward moments caught on camera from anyone in the public eye. We all have bad moments and singling those out is just a cheap trick.

No, she is being singled out because she chose to make a show of virtue whilst doing something that most people do privately. It's nothing to do with her gender, it would totally be the same if she was male and giving birth.

It's partly because she is Green, but not for the reasons you are espousing, only that it makes the irony more significant.

I couldn't care less how she got to the hospital. I have an issue with her publicising it to promote an agenda.

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#2823628 3-Dec-2021 10:40

Time this thread was moved to the Politics section

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2823634 3-Dec-2021 10:54

Rikkitic:

This has become an attack thread and it is very unpleasant. Genter is being singled out because she is a woman and a Green. She may well be the worst MP in the history of New Zealand, but that has nothing to do with the kinds of criticisms that are being levelled at her, all of which stem from male disapproval of her publicly cycling to give birth. Apart from that, it is not difficult to cherry-pick embarrassing and awkward moments caught on camera from anyone in the public eye. We all have bad moments and singling those out is just a cheap trick.

A person being judged on her actions, how ironic

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#2823640 3-Dec-2021 11:13

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Time this thread was moved to the Politics section

Definitely

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