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#2137219 30-Nov-2018 13:16

If he is not good at his job, and he doesn't seem to be, he will overreact and turn down far more deserving cases as he errs on the side of caution. That isn't good either.

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#2137233 30-Nov-2018 13:33

Lees-Galloway needs to do the right thing and resign. If he does not resign the PM must dismiss him. If the PM does believe the Lees-Galloway must go then maybe it is time for Jacinda Ardern to consider her position as PM.

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#2137326 30-Nov-2018 15:17

It has been established the file was incomplete.

Reading every single form and document in the file would not have made a difference in this case.

Should the minister resign? Different question, but at least start with the facts.

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#2137395 30-Nov-2018 17:24

gzt: It has been established the file was incomplete.

Reading every single form and document in the file would not have made a difference in this case.

Should the minister resign? Different question, but at least start with the facts.

I agree, stacks of paper are not required (although if provided should be read and thought about).

Politicians of all stripes love to throw officials to the wolves, to save their own hides.

The thing that gets me is the guy admits he had doubts but he granted residency anyway.

Guy in prison for serious crime seeks residency. The appropriate response is: -

"I have two words to say to you, and one of them is 'off' "

It's not a line call.

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#2137404 30-Nov-2018 17:57

MikeAqua:

gzt: It has been established the file was incomplete.

Reading every single form and document in the file would not have made a difference in this case.

Should the minister resign? Different question, but at least start with the facts.

I agree, stacks of paper are not required (although if provided should be read and thought about).

Politicians of all stripes love to throw officials to the wolves, to save their own hides.

The thing that gets me is the guy admits he had doubts but he granted residency anyway.

Guy in prison for serious crime seeks residency. The appropriate response is: -

"I have two words to say to you, and one of them is 'off' "

It's not a line call.

I also recall reading that the information that made him change his mind was included in the oriinal report. He also admitted that he did not read the whole report and took only an hour to consider his decision.

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#2137584 30-Nov-2018 23:01

This saga is terrible for NZs international reputation. Imagine that you are an official in a foreign government, who is reviewing the assessment criteria for assessing visa applications from NZ citizen's. Or you are working in the HR department of a major overseas company, and you are considering a job application for a high level job in your company, which a NZ citizen has applied for.

Knowing that the NZ government will grant residency to known criminal's, block their deportation to face charges for serious offences in other countries, an immigration minister who has publicly stated that he hasn't been supplied with the full information on an applicant's background.

You are going to be a lot tougher in your assessments of NZers. As how can you be confident in your background checks, when even the NZ immigration minister doesn't get supplied with complete information about a person. It gives the impression of either corruption, or very sloppy internal government functions or processes. Which allow criminals to enter and remain in NZ. Even for crimes that would be an automatic denial for even a visitors visa for lots of countries. Let alone a work or residency visa.

Don't be surprised if you get subjected to tougher security checks next time you travel overseas. Or if applying for foreign visas becomes more difficult.

And the decision wasn't even in keeping with Labour party election policy of reducing immigration. That alone should have been enough reason to deny any applications that are not an automatic approval.

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#2149482 22-Dec-2018 21:44

The minister authorises someone with criminal record to move to this country... but then do this.

I know it's a case-by-case basis but this girl's family is being productive and working in New Zealand.

It just doesn't sound right.

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#2149524 23-Dec-2018 08:38

That is a hard one, its always been the case. They could bypass future health costs by getting medical insurance but thats the a pre existing condition. The family can pay for healthcare as it occurs, but how much might that be? What if they cannot afford it?

Do other counters have the same rules? One option is countries accept pre existing issues, so this example, NZ will wear the cost of the child, but a Kiwi overseas has their costs worn by that country, offsetting each other. Thats the only solution I see.

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#2149653 23-Dec-2018 16:05

I thought this Government was all about being nice. Where is the compassion. This is not the New Zealand I want us to be.

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#2149681 23-Dec-2018 19:45

MikeB4:
I thought this Government was all about being nice. Where is the compassion. This is not the New Zealand I want us to be.

I agree but what about the rules that other countries have? If they declined then not declined that’s not right either. The rules pre date this Govt. my suggestion seems good but it relies on other countries to reciprocate

This is not a National vs Labour issue. The same declines are not rare for medical issues

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#2150449 25-Dec-2018 12:23

tdgeek:
That is a hard one,

It shouldn’t be a hard one. The human rights act prohibits discrimination on the grounds of disability. (Among other things)

The new UN migration compact suggests that there be NO discrimination at all with respect to immigration.

This decision seems to be at odds with everything that this government claims to stand for.

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#2175332 8-Feb-2019 23:14

Todays paper reports that Sroubek gets a NZ passport as his real identity. This enables him to reapply for NZ residency.

I simply dont get this at all. HE is a criminal and in prison at our expense for criminal activities around fake passports????

There seems to be a lot more to this story than what we have been told. Someone high up clearly wants this guy to remain in NZ.

Do all foreign nationals in NZ prisons get NZ passports before they are deported?

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#2175392 9-Feb-2019 10:41

Bluntj:

Todays paper reports that Sroubek gets a NZ passport as his real identity. This enables him to reapply for NZ residency.

I simply dont get this at all. HE is a criminal and in prison at our expense for criminal activities around fake passports????

There seems to be a lot more to this story than what we have been told. Someone high up clearly wants this guy to remain in NZ.

Do all foreign nationals in NZ prisons get NZ passports before they are deported?

When mentioning something as significant as this, a link to the source is a good idea.

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#2175396 9-Feb-2019 10:48

@Rikkitic:

@Bluntj:

Todays paper reports that Sroubek gets a NZ passport as his real identity. This enables him to reapply for NZ residency.

I simply dont get this at all. HE is a criminal and in prison at our expense for criminal activities around fake passports????

There seems to be a lot more to this story than what we have been told. Someone high up clearly wants this guy to remain in NZ.

Do all foreign nationals in NZ prisons get NZ passports before they are deported?

When mentioning something as significant as this, a link to the source is a good idea.

Here is the article.

@Bluntj Sroubek is not getting a New Zealand passport. He is getting his Czech passport under his real name, which then allows him to apply for a New Zealand residency visa.

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#2175400 9-Feb-2019 11:03

The paragraph below near the bottom of the article makes the post of @Bluntj look like intentional fake news. Either he didn't read the piece, or he is purposely trying to whip people up over something that isn't true.

"A passport in Sroubek's true identity will be good news for New Zealand authorities who will require a valid travel document for him to leave the country."

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