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#2907929 28-Apr-2022 15:30

Rikkitic:

I just think New Zealand deserves better than someone in a clown car honking a novelty horn.

So are we all allowed to make such inflammatory insulting comments about leaders of the parties we don't support willy nilly now?

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#2907947 28-Apr-2022 16:15

networkn:

Rikkitic:

I just think New Zealand deserves better than someone in a clown car honking a novelty horn.

So are we all allowed to make such inflammatory insulting comments about leaders of the parties we don't support willy nilly now?

What leaders do you think I am referring to? In any case, my allusion is to a behaviour, not an individual.

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#2907984 28-Apr-2022 17:28

networkn:

So are we all allowed to make such inflammatory insulting comments about leaders of the parties we don't support willy nilly now?

Well thats what happens now, both ways.

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#2907985 28-Apr-2022 17:32

tdgeek:

Well thats what happens now, both ways.

Show me an example where someone has referred to the PM or senior member of the current Government in such a manner in these forums?

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#2907991 28-Apr-2022 17:38

networkn:

tdgeek:

Well thats what happens now, both ways.

Show me an example where someone has referred to the PM or senior member of the current Government in such a manner in these forums?

The term stardust has been referred to many times, including today

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#2907992 28-Apr-2022 17:40

While others have criticised Luxon's many about faces, instead of stooping to name calling

There is robust discussion, and there is the other

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#2907997 28-Apr-2022 17:50

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While others have criticised Luxon's many about faces, instead of stooping to name calling

There is robust discussion, and there is the other

If you think those two insults are comparable, I am not sure what to say. It's pretty similar to when people felt it was fine to get stuck into Max Key, but could you imagine what would happen if the exact reverse happened?

When Ardern about faces, she is 'listening to the people', and 'taking feedback' and 'being a good leader' (at least according to some).

All the name-calling and attacking of families needs to stop.

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#2907999 28-Apr-2022 17:55

networkn:

If you think those two insults are comparable, I am not sure what to say. It's pretty similar to when people felt it was fine to get stuck into Max Key, but could you imagine what would happen if the exact reverse happened?

When Ardern about faces, she is 'listening to the people', and 'taking feedback' and 'being a good leader' (at least according to some).

All the name-calling and attacking of families needs to stop.

I am not sure what to say? That's your line, as usual.

Perhaps Ive missed Luxon being called names. All Ive seen is his being criticised for frequent about faces, what specific names was he called?

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#2908001 28-Apr-2022 17:59

Satire and caricature are legitimate tools of political debate. Name jokes, attacks on physical appearance and personal qualities are not (and yes, I know I have compared Luxon to Humpty Dumpty). Women are something of a special case because of an unfortunate history of misogynistic attacks, but I have no problem with lampooning the Prime Minister, especially when it is deserved. I think you are being blinded by your outrage here.

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#2908002 28-Apr-2022 18:03

Rikkitic:

Satire and caricature are legitimate tools of political debate. Name jokes, attacks on physical appearance and personal qualities are not (and yes, I know I have compared Luxon to Humpty Dumpty). Women are something of a special case because of an unfortunate history of misogynistic attacks, but I have no problem with lampooning the Prime Minister, especially when it is deserved. I think you are being blinded by your outrage here.

Ah ok I wasnt aware of that specific name call, which I assume Mr N was referring to. Oddly, based on your post, the PM has been subject to name calls like stardust and others the whole journey. Here and elsewhere, often here.

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#2908003 28-Apr-2022 18:10

tdgeek:

Rikkitic:

Satire and caricature are legitimate tools of political debate. Name jokes, attacks on physical appearance and personal qualities are not (and yes, I know I have compared Luxon to Humpty Dumpty). Women are something of a special case because of an unfortunate history of misogynistic attacks, but I have no problem with lampooning the Prime Minister, especially when it is deserved. I think you are being blinded by your outrage here.

Ah ok I wasnt aware of that specific name call, which I assume Mr N was referring to. Oddly, based on your post, the PM has been subject to name calls like stardust and others the whole journey. Here and elsewhere, often here.

Sorry I was actually responding to @networkn. Your post slipped in. I don't think he was responding to that, I was just acknowledging that I have also done it.

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#2908091 29-Apr-2022 07:56

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/matthew-hooton-christopher-luxon-is-the-best-nationals-got-but-hes-no-john-key/4FY4WHCL77XHRWQN5PGYXAEVJ4/ (paywalled)

Matthew Hooton looks at how Luxon is no John Key even though he was touted as being one. I wasn't a huge fan of John Key myself, but I have to say I think he was better than Luxon.

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#2908101 29-Apr-2022 08:29

Wasn't Bill English the one who used the phrase 'star-dust' to describe the PM's 2017 campaign promises which were definitely real, doable and how dare you suggest they might not be?

Not questioning how many use it today but I think at this point it's firmly embedded in the political lexicon, along with 'pretty legal' and the three-way handshake.