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#2177424 13-Feb-2019 07:37

Oh dear. Comparing JA's character to Simon Bridges? Wow, I guess that shows how some here view their National world. Much like this thread going quiet during the JLR saga. Explaining away National failures with reasons, and explaining Labour failures as excuses, and burying ones head in the sand if the past 9 years is mentioned. Total lack of balance. The term "waste of time even discussing it" is very much the case, for some, not all. But comparing her to the type of person that Simon has shown himself to be, wow, that's rich.

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#2177465 13-Feb-2019 08:59

Bluntj:

One item that stuck out was that Jones lolly scrambles to date have created 50 jobs in the regions at the cost of hundreds of millions and he has created over 100 civil servants in Wellington to administer the fund.

I wish I had written down my predictions at the start :)

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#2177489 13-Feb-2019 10:00

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Oh dear. Comparing JA's character to Simon Bridges? Wow, I guess that shows how some here view their National world. Much like this thread going quiet during the JLR saga. Explaining away National failures with reasons, and explaining Labour failures as excuses, and burying ones head in the sand if the past 9 years is mentioned. Total lack of balance. The term "waste of time even discussing it" is very much the case, for some, not all. But comparing her to the type of person that Simon has shown himself to be, wow, that's rich.

I'm pointing out she's hardly likely to hold anyone to account for childish remarks in parliament when she's quite happy to make them herself.

You've responded by running interference and accusing everyone else of being one-eyed.

What's 'rich' is falling back on a 'last 9 years' meme when someone points out she's not living into the values she's happy to milk for publicity. How many years into the current term do you think that will wash? At what point is it reasonable to hold them accountable for the things they said they'd do?

Nobody says anything because it's clear as mud that National are prone to acting like dickheads. That in itself does not mean Jacinda somehow has a universal get-out-of-jail free card. People used to complain about the soft treatment Key got, but are quite happy for Jacinda to be the beneficiary because she's wearing their colours.

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#2177491 13-Feb-2019 10:03

This is typical. Bridges floundering for someone to blame for something, he would be better off by improving himself than making up stories. Any fool knows that our relationship with China is fundamentally sound, and it does have a decent period of history, and that the issues are China vs USA issues, with us stuck in the middle. Maybe focus on holding your own party in one piece perhaps.

Meanwhile, National Leader Simon Bridges said Peters was to blame for what he called a "steadily deteriorating relationship" between New Zealand and China.

But he said the Prime Minister does still have to take some accountability because she had "failed to control what has happened" to New Zealand's foreign affairs agenda.

He again used the Air NZ flight being turned around as an example of how the relationship was under pressure.

"I don't know the ins and outs of exactly what's happened there, but you have got to say it's getting harder to say that it's not diplomatic at some level."

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#2177493 13-Feb-2019 10:06

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Much like this thread going quiet during the JLR saga. E

JLR has some serious mental health issues to deal with, and therefore it's simply not appropriate to continue discussing. Whether this occurred within the ranks of National or Labour, certainly my position is the same.

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#2177494 13-Feb-2019 10:09

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12203255

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#2177495 13-Feb-2019 10:20

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tdgeek:

Oh dear. Comparing JA's character to Simon Bridges? Wow, I guess that shows how some here view their National world. Much like this thread going quiet during the JLR saga. Explaining away National failures with reasons, and explaining Labour failures as excuses, and burying ones head in the sand if the past 9 years is mentioned. Total lack of balance. The term "waste of time even discussing it" is very much the case, for some, not all. But comparing her to the type of person that Simon has shown himself to be, wow, that's rich.

I'm pointing out she's hardly likely to hold anyone to account for childish remarks in parliament when she's quite happy to make them herself.

You've responded by running interference and accusing everyone else of being one-eyed.

What's 'rich' is falling back on a 'last 9 years' meme when someone points out she's not living into the values she's happy to milk for publicity. How many years into the current term do you think that will wash? At what point is it reasonable to hold them accountable for the things they said they'd do?

Nobody says anything because it's clear as mud that National are prone to acting like dickheads. That in itself does not mean Jacinda somehow has a universal get-out-of-jail free card. People used to complain about the soft treatment Key got, but are quite happy for Jacinda to be the beneficiary because she's wearing their colours.

Can you honestly say that what we have heard and have seen from SB, mirrors JA? The JLR saga showed us what he is like, and that to his own MP's and Indians. His reputation is in tatters due to his lowlife attitudes now made public, and that bears no comparison to any politician that I am aware of.

I never said nor implied that she is an angel, she is a politician and they are all the same to one extent or another. SB is in a different league

As to the 9 year meme, that is the unbalanced approach of some here. Im happy to discuss things the Coalition did well or poorly. Some dont want to know about the 9 year meme as NZ was let down by inaction on many levels. So, some rant and rant and get upset and emotive over the Coalition on topics that only exist due to Nationals mis management. Some people, not you, need to man up and be an adult and discuss ALL factors. And in a civil manner. But they cannot as its too emotive, too married to the party to look at everything and discuss in an mature manner. Either topics can be discussed in full, or topics can be discussed that make us feel better, and for some, the latter is the norm here. Thats ok, if some dont want to discuss or just cannot, and they want to bleat, that's good for a private chuckle too, but its a forum, thats usually for discussion.

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#2177497 13-Feb-2019 10:23

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tdgeek:

Much like this thread going quiet during the JLR saga. E

JLR has some serious mental health issues to deal with, and therefore it's simply not appropriate to continue discussing. Whether this occurred within the ranks of National or Labour, certainly my position is the same.

It was a reference not a discussion point. I was going to post the other day that he is back and wanting to out his efforts as an MP into the mental health system, but I decided against it due the reason you state. It would just get turned into rant by someone

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#2177500 13-Feb-2019 10:34

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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12203255

A National supporter quoting the Herald is like a Labour supporter quoting the Standard. Anyone who thinks the Herald is an impartial news source without an axe to grind is seriously deluded. Opinion citing other opinion says absolutely nothing.

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#2177502 13-Feb-2019 10:37

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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12203255

Good, it's good to know that the relationship between NZ and China is all Labour's fault, and that the issues between China and the US are unrelated and just make it a bit more difficult for us. If that's what you believe that's ok

A Stuff article includes "For weeks there have been rumours that officials at the Chinese Embassy have warned the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade that the trip is not happening until other issues are resolved, something Mfat denies."

That would imply pressure on us to conform to China, given that we also have an active relationship with the US, especially with security, we are friends with two enemies. But, no, could not possibly be that...

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#2177503 13-Feb-2019 10:41

Rikkitic:

networkn:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12203255

A National supporter quoting the Herald is like a Labour supporter quoting the Standard. Anyone who thinks the Herald is an impartial news source without an axe to grind is seriously deluded. Opinion citing other opinion says absolutely nothing.

I was going to say that but just a waste of ink and pixels.

Its a pity as politics can be a great topic to discuss if people just look at it for what it is. Its a few people, who are generally highly motivated to run our country as well as they can, and throw away most of their private and family life. But while some can, and do discuss, its generally a childsh Apple vs Android pointscoring rantfest.

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#2177515 13-Feb-2019 10:54

Here is another perspective:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/28-11-2018/new-zealand-wants-to-be-a-bridge-to-china-careful-we-dont-get-walked-over/

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/12-02-2019/as-beijing-gives-nz-a-cool-stare-do-we-have-to-choose-between-the-us-and-china/

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#2177517 13-Feb-2019 11:02

This one is even better:

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/12/13/362531/mfat-boss-defends-nz-china-relationship

I don't know if our leaders are hopelessly incompetent or not when it comes to foreign affairs. I doubt they are. In any case, this quote at least contains some real information and perspective (unlike the Herald propaganda).

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#2177525 13-Feb-2019 11:11

Rikkitic:

Here is another perspective:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/28-11-2018/new-zealand-wants-to-be-a-bridge-to-china-careful-we-dont-get-walked-over/

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/12-02-2019/as-beijing-gives-nz-a-cool-stare-do-we-have-to-choose-between-the-us-and-china/

Two good examples. These problems are not a direct political issue in NZ, we are being bounced by two superpowers, its politicised from there. The US wants to continue controlling the world, China is a threat, China wants to dominate the world, the US is in the way. Perhaps NZ was or still is hoping our small size and friendliness would help keep us under the radar, but that wont happen. Countries will one day need to pick a side

USA and China are not in peaceful co-existance relationship, they are enemies. Forget the handshakes, they are enemies. We cannot be friends with both without fallout. Its bigger than Labour or National, or NZ, we don't even rank as a pawn

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#2177542 13-Feb-2019 11:36

networkn:

Bluntj:

One item that stuck out was that Jones lolly scrambles to date have created 50 jobs in the regions at the cost of hundreds of millions and he has created over 100 civil servants in Wellington to administer the fund.

I wish I had written down my predictions at the start :)

I feel a bit under attack here just because I criticise the coalition for breaches of their policies. I see several people attacking your posts despite you offering facts and find this quite sickening.

If National WERE in Government and breaking election promises or totally blundering massive amounts of taxpayer funds on policies that are failures like Kiwibuild and Shane Jones lolly scramble, I would be criticising them as well.

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