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#2609885 24-Nov-2020 15:52

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MikeAqua:

Key was also on the TV this morning. His solution to housing prices was supply. He gave the example of ChCh where a decrease in population and increased supply of new housing drove down prices.

I agree with Key that it's pointless to bemoan Ardern's popularity. Obsession with celebrity is a symptom of modern society. Ardern's celebrity is at least somewhat earned. She certainly knows how to leverage a crisis.

And JK's was earned as well. He can get any with ponytail-gate as he was respected. I agree the solution is supply but Labour didn't, National didnt. Someone needs to

Sorry, didn't mean to imply Key's popularity wasn't earned. I meant at least as in at a minimum.

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#2609958 24-Nov-2020 19:19

I agree

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#2662248 24-Feb-2021 16:19

Looks like Simon Bridges is starting his campaign for leader. Collins publically slapped him down on morning report. I guess he figures this is his chance before Luxon starts his campaign. It should be fairly entertaining.

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#2662250 24-Feb-2021 16:21

She did not sound happy this morning!

And now Bridges (and Goldsmith) have been kicked out of the debating chamber...

Edit: I should have written 'stormed out', rather then 'kicked out', but either way it's still more childish antics from someone whose behaviour continues to prove his lack of leadership chops...

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#2662259 24-Feb-2021 16:37

Bridges knows how to generate attention. Unfortunately for him he generally looks like a dick when he goes on his stunts. It's effective for the law and order "lock them up and throw away the key" base. The fact the approach doesn't work is irrelevant I guess.

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#2662309 24-Feb-2021 20:35

Not working now, but might in 2 years or more likely 5.

A mass shooting and a pandemic have put National back 1 election cycle than normal but when it finally all fits into place it might be a bigger movement than a lot think it will be.

Once it goes back to normal politics, house prices, food prices, power, rates, fuel, etc rather than a pandemic or shooting then GLOAT will be seen as just a PR person.

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#2662311 24-Feb-2021 20:38

Jas777:
Once it goes back to normal politics, house prices, food prices, power, rates, fuel, etc rather than a pandemic or shooting then GLOAT will be seen as just a PR person.

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Who on earth is GLOAT?

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#2662320 24-Feb-2021 21:21

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Jas777:

Once it goes back to normal politics, house prices, food prices, power, rates, fuel, etc rather than a pandemic or shooting then GLOAT will be seen as just a PR person.

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Who on earth is GLOAT?

Well GOAT means Greatest of All Time, so my guess would be Greatest Lady referring to the PM lol, but I could be wrong.

I doubt the assumption made - a gradual decline in policy is no match for the swooning and cocaine like high people get from seeing strong moral leadership. Slight exaggeration lol.

But National has a massive problem, and its called the female voter. I doubt going back to a weak looking already rolled leader is going to fix that, especially when it doesn't address the trust connection JA has made with said voter.

Not worth discussing Collins... anyone who thinks she's anything but a temp is living in a parallel universe.

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#2662365 24-Feb-2021 21:26

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Well GOAT means Greatest of All Time, so my guess would be Greatest Lady referring to the PM lol, but I could be wrong.

I doubt the assumption made - a gradual decline in policy is no match for the swooning and cocaine like high people get from seeing strong moral leadership. Slight exaggeration lol.

But National has a massive problem, and its called the female voter. I doubt going back to a weak looking already rolled leader is going to fix that, especially when it doesn't address the trust connection JA has made with said voter.

Not worth discussing Collins... anyone who thinks she's anything but a temp is living in a parallel universe.

That would be a breach of the FUG, funny names for politicians aren't acceptable. @freitasm may care to comment.

Nationals problem is that it's incompetent and more concerned with infighting. Until that changes the rest is fluff.

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#2662368 24-Feb-2021 21:33

Yes, I'd rather not have funny names for anyone @jas777

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#2670619 9-Mar-2021 19:52

No trust issues here. I wonder how long until the leaks start

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#2670690 9-Mar-2021 20:49

Oh you mean this?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/national-party-review-points-to-disunity-leaks-and-poor-behaviour/25RP7U27DECJIZACD7XG47VH7M/

John Key actually told the National Party members when he spoke to them to to "stop leaking, or leave the party".

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#2670860 10-Mar-2021 07:59

Also https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/10-03-2021/is-a-war-on-wokesters-and-cancel-culture-a-smart-strategy-for-the-national-party/

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#2670884 10-Mar-2021 08:56

National don't get it. That this report hasn't been followed by board level resignation is pretty much the problem.

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#2670891 10-Mar-2021 09:12

quickymart:

John Key actually told the National Party members when he spoke to them to to "stop leaking, or leave the party".

Yeah leakers leave lol. But don't address some valid concerns leakers raised and the dissatisfaction within the party... just put up a wall of dissent-crushing silence, promoting an atmosphere of fear that the public definitely won't see as front. All fixed.

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