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  #404297 13-Nov-2010 18:54
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Well I say a great way to save $50000 per person per year would be to introduce the death penalty in certain circumstances. This way we won't have to pay $50k per year per crim in prison that's likely to reoffend. My reasoning to the likely to reoffend comment is simply that they already are in jail for what is a generally a destructive life changing event they perpetrated on some poor victim and their family what's another gonna matter.

At the moment it is quoted to be a cost of about $50000 a year for someone to be in jail. Why not for certain crimes introduce the death penalty (Public Hangings is the only option for these people that i would want).

We shame them in death in public as this obviously impacts them as they will die, but it also impacts the family as yes they are dead but as it was done publically they have for some (people basically) shamed their family too.

I am sick and tired on my tax $$$ getting wasted on worthless criminals who are nothing but a burden to society. It is totally ridiculous that tax $$$ get spent on them getting pocket money, getting tv's, movie's, access to gym equipment, cigarettes, roast meals and many other things that good hard working people can't afford for themselves and struggle to make a living for their families.

Do they care about the people they hurt? Hell no they get (with exception to being allowed out of prison) not a bad existance. They get all the perks and if they get mistreated we'll given them some cash to make them feel better.

I have more than one friend that agrees fully with the above and I have one who disagrees (we discuss it 3 or 4 times a year dependant on current events that should invoke the death penalty). I also know that making this statement may offend but hey I have been offended whilst reading this thread>

However I have to point out this is my opinion and I am entitled to it. If you wondering which comment that offended e it was the all govt staff pay no tax comment (which i have to add i believe i know the angle the person who made this is taking). I feel there is plently of things that we pay for with our tax dollars are a complete and utter waste of money to me (again my opinion). However there is some one else out there that does get a use and benefit from those services. As already stated we are part of a society and this is what taxes are used for.

Hey I don't personally like Rugby but paying for the Rugby World Cup is actually something that i think is good if it all works out (what I mean by works out is that they make more money than it costs us as taxpayers). Simply our economy could certainly use a tourist boost along the lines of what this will help stimulate for several years.



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  #405150 16-Nov-2010 02:18
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Ragnor: Take this quiz
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz

Then ask yourself why you voted for National, Labour or The Bill and Bill party instead of these guys:
http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2008/partystatus.html
http://www.libertarianz.org.nz/principles/

National is just Labour lite, still running a budget deficit spending up on various junkets.

I just can't see anything changing in NZ anytime soon, too many people care about where there government handout is coming from and don't understand or believe in liberty and personal responsibility.

35% difference in wages in NZ and AU now :(




Taking advantage of the education in NZ, then will 99% most likely ship off to AU.


Govt should play hard ball imo. Stop all the handouts.

Labour started it, and encouraged it to grow. These idiots think they are getting free $$$ from the govt. They dont seem to think the money has to come from somewhere.


I would like to think that I have worked hard at secondary & tertiary education, and my good grades will get me a good job that I can reap the benefits from. Not pay more tax to be given in handouts for the cool guys who mucked around in class and got the hoes pregnant.

Sooner the govt realize that is why all the good doctors & professionals are leaving the country. The better.





Btw I also fully agree with the above post. Crims cost too much to keep in prison. Just need to either put them out on chain gangs working, or execute them.

A prison on the main road not far from chch, has sky tv & other nice perks for the criminals. Bit disgusting really.




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  #405362 16-Nov-2010 15:20
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Read this and weep when you realise we are already well on the way to history repeating....
http://www.mackinac.org/3



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  #405410 16-Nov-2010 16:34
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Ragnor: Read this and weep when you realise we are already well on the way to history repeating....
http://www.mackinac.org/3


An interesting read. So many parallels with todays society.

But if my Grandmother read the same article 50 years ago, would she also lament at the current state of play (50 years ago ) ?


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  #405616 16-Nov-2010 23:34
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Undoubtedly it's a slow process but that doesn't mean it isn't happening.

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  #405929 17-Nov-2010 15:07
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Soo..... back to the original point of Free to Air TV... or should that be Publicly funded Broadcasting.

Perhaps history (will) tell(s) us that public funding of services is a step on the stairway of ultimate decline, but somewhere there is a landing on that stair which should be 'our happy place'.

Public broadcasting has the ability to set standards and provide content that commercial broadcasters won't... OK so you can set quotas or content guidelines thru regulation, but what is worse a public broadcast solution that sets standards or setting the standards for private broadcasters.... It's two steps up and one step back either way.

And no matter how you dress it, it means taking another step either towards the edge of the landing your society is on or onto a step away from it.

The mackinac text is written clearly with an American free market bias, a system that has also shown to be flawed. Unfortunately, to me, NZers wary of their own cultural cringe seem more wanting to emulate American models in all things business and government, culture and broadcasting... we're moving towards catering for the lowest common denominator instead of defining who we are through our unique location and the cultures we can call on to stand tall.

We're all to busy staring into the ever increasing pixel count looking for a future that we'll learn nothing from. Instead of looking to the past for the pathways thru a future we'll never see.


If we continue to fund public TV and radio channels for no other reason than to give the prison population no other media choices..... how can that be a bad thing???

 
 
 

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  #405941 17-Nov-2010 15:26
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Well right now businesses and productive workers via taxes effectively pay for:

- Healthcare
- Welfare
- Education
- Security (Miltary, Police, Prison etc)
- Public infrastructure ie: roads, parks etc
- Entertainment/News

Really I don't think entertainment/news belongs there at all since personal taste in entertainment and news is subjective and broadcasting is a sunset industry (compared to ondemand consumption of content).


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  #405976 17-Nov-2010 16:33
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Ragnor: Well right now businesses and productive workers via taxes effectively pay for:

- Healthcare
- Welfare
- Education
- Security (Miltary, Police, Prison etc)
- Public infrastructure ie: roads, parks etc
- Entertainment/News

Really I don't think entertainment/news belongs there at all since personal taste in entertainment and news is subjective and broadcasting is a sunset industry (compared to ondemand consumption of content).


But all the rest belong?

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  #406066 17-Nov-2010 20:35
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Bazzer

Yes all the rest belong they just in most cases actually need to be tweeked to be better suited instead of a strain on the tax dollar and the country as a whole.

Take prison for one like I said in my other post why the hell do we pay for a prison system that provides better care for those out in the community??? Shouldn't the law abiding citizens needs be put first??? Plus if you read my previous post you would know my other view in regards to saving the tax payers a lot of money with our justice system.

Welfare should be more focussed and targetted on those in need. Not those who have their hands out or bother to ask the right question.

Education is always a sticky subject my personal view is that instead of a student loan scheme that takes (in more cases than not) decades to recover the amount borrowed. We should run a model system where there are no student loans at all the government could set loan fees at a modest amount (eg $1000 per year of study) no loans at all. For those who are actually serious about study they would soon enough find a way to pay $1000 and work towards the education a lot of them claim to want.

Take the three ideas above in put them in place and we the people the tax payers would be able to save a lot of money that can be better utilised elsewhere like affordable health care for all better roading, more police and plenty of others.

Of course there is a lot of money being put into buy outs of certain groups within NZ that could be stopped since we all do have the ability to be treated equally and have the same opportunities as one another.

Lets be honest here do we need corporate bailouts for investments gone bad (as if you went into a investment you had to know that there is a element of risk isn't that why they say invest wisely and where we get sayings like it's too good to be true). Then there is land payouts for something that happened a long time ago. We as a country need to move on and focus on the future and stability of the country and people within.

With the govt wasting our tax dollars on things they don't need whether it be Free to Air TV, corporate bailouts or a biased and ineffective justice system where we can see celebrities pretty much do as they please (Mark Ellis, Brent Todd, Millie Elder for example) yet for the same crimes that will see others do some serious jail time or just wasting money on giving prisoners better living conditions than a lot of working families.

Can't we all just get along and live together in perfect harmony, side by side with my shadow oh wait drifted off for a bit there hehe. Statistical information shows that we are certainly a varied range of people within NZ so why are we still classifying everyone as Asian, European, Maori, Pacific Islander (and the many others) shouldn't we try to be New Zealanders. That should be the goal of all our governments.

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  #406095 17-Nov-2010 21:41
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bazzer:
Ragnor: Well right now businesses and productive workers via taxes effectively pay for:

- Healthcare
- Welfare
- Education
- Security (Miltary, Police, Prison etc)
- Public infrastructure ie: roads, parks etc
- Entertainment/News

Really I don't think entertainment/news belongs there at all since personal taste in entertainment and news is subjective and broadcasting is a sunset industry (compared to ondemand consumption of content).


But all the rest belong?


To majority of NZ yes, to me personally no... if I was in charge I'd slash spending and taxes dramatically reducing government where ever possible.

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  #406116 17-Nov-2010 22:41
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jtbthatsme: Take the three ideas above in put them in place and we the people the tax payers would be able to save a lot of money that can be better utilised elsewhere like affordable health care for all better roading, more police and plenty of others.

Why is healthcare and policing more important to you than education?  I never need to go to the doctor and if I did, I have insurance.  Why should I pay for your doctor's visits?  The answer you provide here could equally be used for any of the things you mentioned, don't you think?

 
 
 
 

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  #406122 17-Nov-2010 23:05
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Bazzer i did mention how the education system could be better so was not saying that healthcare and policing are more important they were the first two that popped into my head at the time hehe.

Also state of policing in NZ is terrible it's nearly every week another story comes out about how bad they are. Let me see quotas for ticketing, people being to calm on the phone so obviously all is well. On a personal side they took over a week to come out to fingerprint my property after a burglary. When they realised it happened a week earlier they pretty much said no point in doing it now. Worst part though on the day it happened i told them who i suspected it was and low and behold someone who knew them confirmed they had a new xbox not so long afterwards.

I am a huge supporter of better sentencing and harsher penalties than state run and funded resort like prisons.

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  #406131 18-Nov-2010 00:10
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Lias:
I have no problem with free to air TV. I just have a very large problem with any taxpayer money going towards it. If its not commercially viable without my tax dollars, it shouldnt exist.


For most TV i totally agree.  I do think though that two things probably should be funded in NZ though :- Maori TV (but do we need to fund an entire channel?) and Childrens TV.

Maori TV is something that is probably always going to struggle to be commerically viable but I think it is important to try and keep the language and culture alive.  Perhaps it could be partially funded from any revenue collected by televising sports events that employ the haka?

Childrens TV certainly could be commercially viable, but as a parent i'd prefer it not to be.  The kidzone tv on Freeview is great mainly because it isn't commercial.  You can stick your kids in front of it for an hour and not have to worry about the 'can i have this toy' or 'can we go to macdonalds'...  It also has some local content which is great, but the local content is unlikely to exist without any funding.




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