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#1699128 5-Jan-2017 22:27

dafman:

Sony aren't producing their panels. Likely they will use LG panels, but not confirmed.

http://www.strata-gee.com/lg-display-signs-deal-supply-sony-oled-panels/

Some are confirming it...

I know a couple of people at the show, but they're non-communique... and hopefully they're not looking at TV's!

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#1699136 5-Jan-2017 22:50

It just gets weirder and more lucrative for LG...

Supplying Samsung LCD panels??

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-samsung-elec-lg-display-idUSKBN14O0O3

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#1699140 5-Jan-2017 23:37

blakamin:

It just gets weirder and more lucrative for LG...

Supplying Samsung LCD panels??

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-samsung-elec-lg-display-idUSKBN14O0O3

if you can't beat them, pay them!

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#1699148 6-Jan-2017 01:10

macuser:
I think this has a lot to do with Apple's lackluster product refresh as well

I think that has a lot to do with it. They are dumbing down their lines, and not really innovating much, possibly because they don't know what to do. Their latest macbook pro is a case in point. Tablets used to be a big thing, and Apple are still probably the market leader with tablets, but people have realized that they are very limited and locked down, and they can last many years. While the surface and other windows tablets potentially have a lot more use, asboth a tablet and full computer. With apple people need both a laptop and an ipad for productivity, while with windows, people can just get a surface or surface book, rather than needing two devices. But saying that, ipad apps are a million time better, than windows 10 apps.

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#1699160 6-Jan-2017 07:32

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macuser:
I think this has a lot to do with Apple's lackluster product refresh as well

I think that has a lot to do with it. They are dumbing down their lines, and not really innovating much, possibly because they don't know what to do. Their latest macbook pro is a case in point. Tablets used to be a big thing, and Apple are still probably the market leader with tablets, but people have realized that they are very limited and locked down, and they can last many years. While the surface and other windows tablets potentially have a lot more use, asboth a tablet and full computer. With apple people need both a laptop and an ipad for productivity, while with windows, people can just get a surface or surface book, rather than needing two devices. But saying that, ipad apps are a million time better, than windows 10 apps.

Apple has no market share, if they are slow to provide new lines it wont affect PC sales. IMO, laptops and tablets are good, but you cannot beat a real computer. You can get a fast PC cheap as chips these days. Fast graphics cards are cheap.

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#1699178 6-Jan-2017 08:33

Do Apple even bother turning up to CES? Or build TVs?

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#1699194 6-Jan-2017 09:01

blakamin:

It just gets weirder and more lucrative for LG...

Supplying Samsung LCD panels??

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-samsung-elec-lg-display-idUSKBN14O0O3

Wow I thought Samsung were still making their own panels.

I know Panasonic announced last year they were closing their factory and moving to LG for panels.

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#1699196 6-Jan-2017 09:02

Dingbatt: Do Apple even bother turning up to CES? Or build TVs?

Nope Apple do their own thing rather than turn up at trade shows.

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#1699267 6-Jan-2017 11:06

macuser:

Back on topic...
QLED the most deceptive new buzzword.

+1. If you can't match the technology, next best is to come up with an acronym that almost can.

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#1699273 6-Jan-2017 11:26

It's a pity that LG's main focus is on slimming down already incredibly thin OLEDs, rather than investing in software and processing improvement.

While it's great news to hear about Panasonic and Sony entering consumer OLED, prices will remain high as long as LG is the only supplier of OLED panels and supply capability is constrained.

So I suspect LCD (and QLED!) will remain the mainstay of the TV industry for a few more years until OLED supply finally gets traction. If the Sony and Panasonic offerings make it to NZ (and they may not given limited supply) they will price above their LCD offerings, I'm picking the $8-10k range.

Sad to remember how much effort Panasonic put into increasing plasma manufacturing capability ... only to have it killed by the mass consumer who couldn't discern, or didn't care for, stunning picture offering.

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#1699373 6-Jan-2017 13:55

...the final point re: Panasonic plasma disappearing will be one of the reasons why OLED pricing will remain high for the foreseeable future.*

Put simply, the TV arms of these companies need to be profitable, if they're not, we all end up being sold Veon's / JVC / whatever non-brand named piece of poo can be shoveled to consumers for the lowest amount. Put simply, a lot of people either:

Don't care about picture quality.

Believe good enough is, well, good enough.

Can't afford the price-tag.

Have walked into a store where the sales person can't sell over a certain level.

Or... buys on-line without even seeing the picture.

*manufacturing issues aside

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#1699380 6-Jan-2017 14:15

Dunnersfella:

...the final point re: Panasonic plasma disappearing will be one of the reasons why OLED pricing will remain high for the foreseeable future.*

Put simply, the TV arms of these companies need to be profitable, if they're not, we all end up being sold Veon's / JVC / whatever non-brand named piece of poo can be shoveled to consumers for the lowest amount. Put simply, a lot of people either:

Don't care about picture quality.

Believe good enough is, well, good enough.

Can't afford the price-tag.

Have walked into a store where the sales person can't sell over a certain level.

Or... buys on-line without even seeing the picture.

*manufacturing issues aside

To me, image quality is all that matters with a TV.

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#1699415 6-Jan-2017 14:50

Dunnersfella:

...the final point re: Panasonic plasma disappearing will be one of the reasons why OLED pricing will remain high for the foreseeable future.*

Put simply, the TV arms of these companies need to be profitable, if they're not, we all end up being sold Veon's / JVC / whatever non-brand named piece of poo can be shoveled to consumers for the lowest amount. Put simply, a lot of people either:

Don't care about picture quality.

Believe good enough is, well, good enough.

Can't afford the price-tag.

Have walked into a store where the sales person can't sell over a certain level.

Or... buys on-line without even seeing the picture.

*manufacturing issues aside

OLED is going to maintain a price premium simply because it is the best. Walk into a Harvey Norman or Noel Leeming now and compare an OLED to anything else there and it doesn't even take a TV expert to realise there is simply no comparison.

Having said that the problem here is the OLED pricing is too high. The 55" B6 pricing for example was $7000 in September, dropped to $6000 in October, then dropped to $5500k before xmas, and then $4999k during the boxing day sales.

In Australia they're around $2900 now. If you deduct Australian GST (since it's being exported) and pay GST and IETF fees in NZ you come to the grand total of around NZ$3259 for the identical TV. There was a thread on here a couple of weeks ago from somebody looking to bring one over on a plane with them as these fit within the requirements of a item of luggage.

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#1699429 6-Jan-2017 15:24

sbiddle:

Dunnersfella:

...the final point re: Panasonic plasma disappearing will be one of the reasons why OLED pricing will remain high for the foreseeable future.*

Put simply, the TV arms of these companies need to be profitable, if they're not, we all end up being sold Veon's / JVC / whatever non-brand named piece of poo can be shoveled to consumers for the lowest amount. Put simply, a lot of people either:

Don't care about picture quality.

Believe good enough is, well, good enough.

Can't afford the price-tag.

Have walked into a store where the sales person can't sell over a certain level.

Or... buys on-line without even seeing the picture.

*manufacturing issues aside

OLED is going to maintain a price premium simply because it is the best. Walk into a Harvey Norman or Noel Leeming now and compare an OLED to anything else there and it doesn't even take a TV expert to realise there is simply no comparison.

Having said that the problem here is the OLED pricing is too high. The 55" B6 pricing for example was $7000 in September, dropped to $6000 in October, then dropped to $5500k before xmas, and then $4999k during the boxing day sales.

In Australia they're around $2900 now. If you deduct Australian GST (since it's being exported) and pay GST and IETF fees in NZ you come to the grand total of around NZ$3259 for the identical TV. There was a thread on here a couple of weeks ago from somebody looking to bring one over on a plane with them as these fit within the requirements of a item of luggage.

And then the 65" being another $2k on top of that.

I'd *maybe* fork out big money for one, but not with webOS... Not after my last experience with an LG tv.

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#1700252 8-Jan-2017 16:18

sbiddle:
Dingbatt: Do Apple even bother turning up to CES? Or build TVs?

Nope Apple do their own thing rather than turn up at trade shows.

Thanks Steve. The comment was a little tongue in cheek because the thread seemed to be heading off topic.

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