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  #626651 17-May-2012 08:38
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sbiddle:
You're still failing to acknowledge the fact existing mobile technologies are focussed around providing legacy switched circuit voice services. They are not primararily intended for delivering IP or IMS services and simply don't have the ability or capacity for this.  



Simplistically, a mobile call/text/data uses the land based lines.

Mobile phone to cell tower to land cable network to cell tower to receiver mobile phone.

Telco's need revenue to pay for access to the network, R+M and expansion of cell towers, CSR support, admin, power, Land and buildings for staff, etc, etc, etc.  You cannot say, well I pay $x for landline, broadband, mobile call/text/data plan. I will replace that with a naked DSL and cheaper mobile data only and save 70% on costs.

Unless your happy wth zero expansion of cell towers, and vastly reduced Telco staffing, and a base, minimal support to the point of, "your line is active from here"



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  #626653 17-May-2012 08:46
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qwerty7: Why don't mobile companies forget text and call charges and concentrate solely on mobile data at a lower cost. That way I can facetime chat nz > london, or anywhere else in the world on the go for basically free. Instead they insist on charging me $1.50 per minute to call someone on the other side on town?

Is it because that is how they make money ?
Is it because of call quality ? If so how would it be improved?

Surely this is where the future is heading and call / text plans are a thing of the past? 


Isn't that the ultimate use for LTE.  A data only platform  with VoLTE and email messaging?? No traditional voice or  SMS plans..




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  #626661 17-May-2012 08:59
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qwerty7: Why don't mobile companies forget text and call charges and concentrate solely on mobile data at a lower cost. That way I can facetime chat nz > london, or anywhere else in the world on the go for basically free. Instead they insist on charging me $1.50 per minute to call someone on the other side on town?

Is it because that is how they make money ?
Is it because of call quality ? If so how would it be improved?

Surely this is where the future is heading and call / text plans are a thing of the past? 


Isn't that the ultimate use for LTE.  A data only platform  with VoLTE and email messaging?? No traditional voice or  SMS plans..


Yes, and one day, everything will be IP based. But it will still use a land network.  If these services were all based on the users software, then staff levels would drop, support will drop to the point of "your line is active in our system, check your own software settings, bye"



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  #626676 17-May-2012 09:26
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I don't understand what is making you think I want them to change it by next Monday ?

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  #626725 17-May-2012 10:50
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You started the threat by saying ' why don't they just concentrate on selling data'

For those of us that use mobile phones as...err.... mobile phones, being able to make and receive calls is kind of important. We may not need 200 minutes or 2000 texts, but clearly theres enough out there who do otherwise Telcos wouldn't bother to offer those options.

Mobile devices have changed the way we interact on lots of levels. (There was actually a time not all that long ago when people didn't actually have mobile phones or tablets and you carried around something the size of a block of cheese so you play 'portable music cassettes')

Perhaps in 10 years time mobile networks will be data-driven, and petrol stations will be selling hydrogen and fast-fill electron energy... along with coffee and chocolate and...err...petrol.

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  #626728 17-May-2012 10:59
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Sorry to rub salt into the OP's wounds but FaceTime doesn't work over 3G anyway...

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  #626809 17-May-2012 13:53
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+1 to this idea -and if Vodafone and telecom cant handle it then lets get rid of them and start a new company!!!

"In a brave new world. With just a handful of men. We'll start - we'll start all over again!"


Someone please send me a link to this 12GB for $99 because Ive never heard of anything even close to that in NZ...

But yes IMHO this is what we should be moving towards - Shared Mobile Data accounts - 1 account per family / household etc...

That way you can get internet on Laptop, IPad/tablet, VOIP, Mobile Phone - calls thru sipdroid or similar and Texts? Already a lot of my friends do not text anymore - its all done thru facebok messaging!


We are definitely getting screwed at the moment in this country when you compare our ridiculous plans of 200MB of data (1GB free yes but its not permanent is it???)

Prices in the UK at the moment? 15GB mobile Data for around NZD$80 and if thats not good enough they give you a free laptop as well!!!

Shared data plans from 2 Degrees and FYX pay as you go concept are two very good ideas but these need to be combined and enhanced even further!






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  #626815 17-May-2012 13:56
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Yes, and one day, everything will be IP based. But it will still use a land network.  If these services were all based on the users software, then staff levels would drop, support will drop to the point of "your line is active in our system, check your own software settings, bye"



Um, isn't that exactly what we get now?  actually no that would be better than what we have now!!!




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  #626856 17-May-2012 14:42
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Someone please send me a link to this 12GB for $99 because Ive never heard of anything even close to that in NZ...


http://www.2degreesmobile.co.nz/mobilebroadband/prepay-pricing

And to echo what others have said... What you're asking for already exists. If you want to work this way, there is nothing to stop you doing it right now. Just grab a data plan, cancel your voice plan, and go for your life. What you're proposing to do, though, is take away the choice of having minutes and texts from those that want it... and that's just stupid.

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  #626953 17-May-2012 16:52
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So the only thing stopping telcos at the moment from getting rid of text + call plans and providing only data is the network is not built to handle much data? If so then my original post has been answered.




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  #626955 17-May-2012 16:59
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steve98:

Someone please send me a link to this 12GB for $99 because Ive never heard of anything even close to that in NZ...


http://www.2degreesmobile.co.nz/mobilebroadband/prepay-pricing

And to echo what others have said... What you're asking for already exists. If you want to work this way, there is nothing to stop you doing it right now. Just grab a data plan, cancel your voice plan, and go for your life. What you're proposing to do, though, is take away the choice of having minutes and texts from those that want it... and that's just stupid.

As far as I can see the only reasons people want minutes and text are:
a) they don't understand they can use data instead
b) the price of data 
c) not everyone is on data, for one of the two reasons above ^

Why would you want text or minutes when data is cheaper and provides superior options, such as calling the other side of the world for no more or less than calling locally. 




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  #626966 17-May-2012 17:31
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qwerty7: So the only thing stopping telcos at the moment from getting rid of text + call plans and providing only data is the network is not built to handle much data? If so then my original post has been answered.


No

For one thing there would me an almighty outcry like has never before been heard in the NZ telco/ISP space. Teenagers would riot and parents and grandparents would lose contact with their loved ones.

The government would be INCREDIBLY unhappy about removing one of the most used (if not THE most used) avenues to get in touch with emergency services and people would die because of the change.

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  #626970 17-May-2012 17:39
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steve98:

Someone please send me a link to this 12GB for $99 because Ive never heard of anything even close to that in NZ...


http://www.2degreesmobile.co.nz/mobilebroadband/prepay-pricing

And to echo what others have said... What you're asking for already exists. If you want to work this way, there is nothing to stop you doing it right now. Just grab a data plan, cancel your voice plan, and go for your life. What you're proposing to do, though, is take away the choice of having minutes and texts from those that want it... and that's just stupid.

As far as I can see the only reasons people want minutes and text are:
a) they don't understand they can use data instead
b) the price of data 
c) not everyone is on data, for one of the two reasons above ^

Why would you want text or minutes when data is cheaper and provides superior options, such as calling the other side of the world for no more or less than calling locally. 





No.
1) Not everyone has a smartphone.
2) Not everyone wants to rely solely on VOIP even if they do have a smartphone.
3) Not everyone wants less choice and services.

You are being silly and actually more narrow-minded that our telcos! Want you want already exist - there is nothing to stop you already living this pure-data dream that you are blithering on about, but what you are advocating for is less choice for the people that don't want it to work that way.

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  #626982 17-May-2012 18:06
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Wtf? For the last time I am not talking about switching off minutes and text by 5pm tomorrow!

It is not about less choice, it is about in the future the whole phone operating on data, an old person or joe blogs down the street wouldn't know the difference. The only difference is now they get billed at some bull sh*t price per minute and in the future they get charged just on data whether they are calling maisy down the street or their granddaughter in america. No off peak garbage, no $2.50 minute garbage, no pay 20 cents to check your dam voice mail, no pay double for calling another network or 10 x the price to call another country the whole phone operates on data, end of.

This is somewhat impractical at the moment because of data prices, if data prices were cheaper all phones could operate solely on data and only an idiot would want minutes or a text plan.

Why don't telcos start the push towards data ? Some probably are already but others seem against it which I cannot understand. I can only assume it is because the networks cannot handle it except for they are not able to charge $10 for a 10 minute call to the other side of town.

If you disagree then why is that the way it is heading? When all phones operate on data it will be completely practical as data will be cheaper.

The people who don't want it to work that way for whatever reason are a dying bread like the people who were against mp3's when they came out they are either cd store owners (telcos) or not up to date with technology.

It is only a matter of time.

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  #626992 17-May-2012 18:18
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What the future holds

Customers in the U.S. have long deemed carriers’ tactics that stifle competition unfair, arguing that carriers wield too much power. Consumer advocates say that carriers turned phone vendors into dumb manufacturers that are only asked to produce phones to carriers’ specs, namely the choice of the radio technology, phone features, and allowed network services. Application providers are hurt the most because carriers who run the network have the power to shut down phone apps and third-party network services that clash with their interests. For instance, most carriers block mobile Skype and other VoIP apps from using their networks to place cheap voice calls which replace carriers’ costly voice minutes. Because of this, application providers led by the most vocal of them – Google – have asked the FCC to intervene. The pressure from regulators and consumers combined with Obama’s proclaimed Net Neutrality has weakened carriers’ choke hold grip on the mobile industry, paving the way for innovative new services and applications that will run on mobile networks – regardless of carriers.

http://www.geek.com/smartphone-buyers-guide/radio-technology/

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