Telecom increase second line pricing by 22%. Looks like shooting themselves in the foot.

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timmmay

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#969814 20-Jan-2014 07:05

I have a Bosch monitored alarm. It's primary method of communicating with the monitoring company is Ethernet via my router, the backup method is via mobile data with a 2degrees SIM. A phone line is not required. I believe these methods can be retrofitted to many alarms as well, though I'm not an expert - I hired a good company so I didn't have to be.

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#969817 20-Jan-2014 07:37

KiwiNZ:
richms: I would actually go as far as saying that an alarm that dials out over a PSTN line when triggered isnt really monitored, it just has the ability to alert someone off site (hopefully so long as the line is intact).

Cut the phone line, trouble light will come on, rob the place and noone is the wiser till the alarm misses its middle of the night check in call.

Good grief.

I must be completely wrong mine is not monitored, it was installed 20 years ago by cowboys ......

Oh GZ thou art .....never mind

How does your alarm work if it's installed in a fibre only subdivision?

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#969818 20-Jan-2014 07:48

coffeebaron:
KiwiNZ:
richms: I would actually go as far as saying that an alarm that dials out over a PSTN line when triggered isnt really monitored, it just has the ability to alert someone off site (hopefully so long as the line is intact).

Cut the phone line, trouble light will come on, rob the place and noone is the wiser till the alarm misses its middle of the night check in call.

Good grief.

I must be completely wrong mine is not monitored, it was installed 20 years ago by cowboys ......

Oh GZ thou art .....never mind

How does your alarm work if it's installed in a fibre only subdivision?

Not relevant, it's not installed in a fibre only suburb and I wouldn't take it with me if OE when we moved.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#969829 20-Jan-2014 08:37

coffeebaron:
That may be the cost of the first line but the topic is "second line pricing".

I guess that's what a few people are meaning, sure have a POTs line if you want, but for a 2nd (3rd, 4th..) line; VoIP is really a no brainer.

That's what I do. A Telecom 1st line and a 2Talk 2nd line..

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#969857 20-Jan-2014 09:17

KiwiNZ:
sbiddle:
KiwiNZ:
richms:
timmmay: People still use PSTN phone lines?

Plenty do, old people mainly.

Even with unlimited calling plans on mobile phones for not much more than a landline and a few extra services which are free on mobiles (caller ID, voicemail, call waiting etc) they still want a phone that only works in one location. Bizzare eh?

Monitored Alarm systems need landlines

No they don't - and haven't done for quite some time.

Alarm systems from big name monitoring companies who are stuck in the 1980's with cheap alarm concentrators refusing to believe the world has long since moved to IP need landlines may need a landline, but this doesn't mean every alarm does.

For ~$150 you can convert pretty much any ContactID based alarm (the most commonly used alarm protocol) to IP. You will then just need an alarm company that support IP, and there are still some large players who don't support IP. For a number of years now GSM based monitoring has also been commonplace, both via ContactID over voice calls, CSD data, or now GPRS/3G data.

My recommendation for any alarm monitoring is AlarmNZ - quite simply because they understand the game and were dealing with IP before your average tech from bigger companies knew what IP even stood for.

Any alarm technician or company that says you need a landline for an alarm should be avoided.

Disagree

With what?

PSTN is the most insecure form of monitoring you can have. Cutting a POTS line and replacing it with a 48V supply so the alarm won't detect a line cut is very simple and the alarm won't detect this. With IP monitoring which is always on any loss of connectivity is immediately registered.

I deal with a number of alarm company regularly, the level of incompetence and lack of knowledge surrounding IP stuff is unbelievable. It's a lot like security companies installing analogue CCTV systems because they simply lack the knowledge to install IP based systems.

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#970354 20-Jan-2014 23:00

KiwiNZ:
richms: I would actually go as far as saying that an alarm that dials out over a PSTN line when triggered isnt really monitored, it just has the ability to alert someone off site (hopefully so long as the line is intact).

Cut the phone line, trouble light will come on, rob the place and noone is the wiser till the alarm misses its middle of the night check in call.

Good grief.

I must be completely wrong mine is not monitored, it was installed 20 years ago by cowboys ......

Oh GZ thou art .....never mind

20 years old? So wouldn't that make it...obsolete? Times and technology have changed a lot since 1993.

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#970384 21-Jan-2014 07:00

quickymart:
KiwiNZ:
richms: I would actually go as far as saying that an alarm that dials out over a PSTN line when triggered isnt really monitored, it just has the ability to alert someone off site (hopefully so long as the line is intact).

Cut the phone line, trouble light will come on, rob the place and noone is the wiser till the alarm misses its middle of the night check in call.

Good grief.

I must be completely wrong mine is not monitored, it was installed 20 years ago by cowboys ......

Oh GZ thou art .....never mind

20 years old? So wouldn't that make it...obsolete? Times and technology have changed a lot since 1993.

You didn't pick up the sarcasm?

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#970387 21-Jan-2014 07:07

What make and model is your alarm? Providing that should put this to bed one way or the other.

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#970389 21-Jan-2014 07:28

kiwitrc: What make and model is your alarm? Providing that should put this to bed one way or the other.

Now there is a sensible idea, put the make and model of my security system on a public forum.... Hmmm ummmm no

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#970396 21-Jan-2014 08:06

KiwiNZ:
kiwitrc: What make and model is your alarm? Providing that should put this to bed one way or the other.

Now there is a sensible idea, put the make and model of my security system on a public forum.... Hmmm ummmm no

Call me naive, but, wouldn't someone also need your address? Unless all your GZ mates who know you personally are crooks.

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#970410 21-Jan-2014 08:42

surfisup1000:
KiwiNZ:
kiwitrc: What make and model is your alarm? Providing that should put this to bed one way or the other.

Now there is a sensible idea, put the make and model of my security system on a public forum.... Hmmm ummmm no

Call me naive, but, wouldn't someone also need your address? Unless all your GZ mates who know you personally are crooks.

I am not going to put the details on here. Period. Lets move one please.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#971973 21-Jan-2014 22:16

KiwiNZ:
quickymart:
KiwiNZ:
richms: I would actually go as far as saying that an alarm that dials out over a PSTN line when triggered isnt really monitored, it just has the ability to alert someone off site (hopefully so long as the line is intact).

Cut the phone line, trouble light will come on, rob the place and noone is the wiser till the alarm misses its middle of the night check in call.

Good grief.

I must be completely wrong mine is not monitored, it was installed 20 years ago by cowboys ......

Oh GZ thou art .....never mind

20 years old? So wouldn't that make it...obsolete? Times and technology have changed a lot since 1993.

You didn't pick up the sarcasm?

Nope. I can't hear your voice.

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#971979 21-Jan-2014 22:33

just to make sure, it would or wouldn't work. please post your address and alarm code... just joking of course.

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