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  #3422958 8-Oct-2025 10:47
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OK - this discussion is becoming self-referential ;-)

 

It's got all the elements of good human input, bad human input and discussion of good & bad AI input.

 

That's exactly how I see AI contributing to Geekzone - and Geekzone contributing to our better understanding of what AI is able to do for us.

 

I've also lived through enough Tech growth phases to know that AI in 5 years is going to be enormously better than it is now.
Let's grow with it - instead of pretending it's not there.

 

Yes - I'm all for stating clearly that anything I might post was AI output.
Why would I hide it ?
To try and assume credit for a 'brilliant answer' that wasn't my own work/experience ?

 

I would be more inclined to show how my brilliant question(s) to AI had produced useful output...
In hope that it might be helpful to anyone else - in asking about stuff.

 

A bit like (pre-Google/Bing) when Search was a new thing and I was asked for tips - after being told that I was good at it. 

 

Let's work out the best way to work with it - not attempt to stifle or ban it. 

 

 




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  #3422959 8-Oct-2025 10:48
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This ^^


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  #3422960 8-Oct-2025 11:02
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Did you really write it? 




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  #3422961 8-Oct-2025 11:08
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Imo it will come down to responsible use to preserve the quality of discussion. Imo attribution to source AI is likely to be a part of that. Misleading use of AI - I'm sure will attract the proximity of the ban hammer.

With backup from Wheaton's Law already present in the guide if needed.

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  #3422963 8-Oct-2025 11:23
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OpenAI Sora2 released a few days ago is interesting in this respect. For fantasy and scifi anyone knows it's not real.

However, I've also seen clips created to mimic standard definition ntsc news broadcast. Needless to say there are many potential irresponsible uses for that.


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  #3422973 8-Oct-2025 11:55
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Why don't we ask <your AI tool of choice> to answer the question "Should AI generated responses should be allowed on Geekzone". Or do we think that will trigger some form of cataclysmic paradox and start the rapture?





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  #3422984 8-Oct-2025 12:29
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Probably because it's not needed. You might need to add at least "NZ" to get a sensible response. In some cases it will help to provide the FUG in the prompt. You could also add an export of this discussion.

Should AI make the rules for humans? ; )

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  #3422998 8-Oct-2025 13:21
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pdh:

 

Ok - here's a real-world example of what I like to think is AI's strength.

 

A friend & I had a debate about immigration into NZ (as we're both immigrants of 30 & 40 year duration).

 

He contended that poms still made up a very large proportion (annually) - while I felt that poms were a thing of the past (neither of us is a pom - perhaps you guessed).

 

So I asked Perplexity to assemble a nice graph (from a recent year) of poms vs other significant migrant groups.

 

I won't bore you with the results - as you can ask your preferred AI the same question...

 

But it gave the two of us some hard data to discuss, over the next week's beer.

 

I'm sure that I could have come up with something like that data - 40 years ago - by hitting the library or writing to NZ's bureaucracy... but it would have taken hours & days - not seconds.

 

And no - I didn't automatically trust the answers - but I did ask for & get the sources of the data, which I was able to assess for propaganda / bias.

 

So I / we both felt that we were able to have a semi-intelligent discussion on a subject that I have not seen covered in any depth by our mainstream media.

 

I feel better for the opportunity to inform myself and think about stuff - which even 20 years ago would have been much, much harder to do.

 

That's a simple example of using AI (2025 version) as a tool.
Not a source of what to think - but as an aid to thinking...

 

 

 



 

best source of migration data would be nz government…

 

https://www.stats.govt.nz/topics/migration/

 

 


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  #3423114 8-Oct-2025 17:29
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I think the observation that I make, is that people don’t appear to know what is A.I., and what is a predictive/adaptive automation engine (my label for it)

 

I am reminded of the invention of text messaging, that was quickly followed by the adoption of text speak, before better sense consigned it to the domain of Gen Z.

 

As I mentioned before, the output of what, to me, is not much more than a predictive text engine, and doesn’t also, I think, have much place anywhere that is served by actual human cognitive reasoning and discourse.

 

I don’t place any value in putting the output of a generated pre-trained transformer in a post, on the theory that yet another “AI said thread” would be like the old “Wikipedia says” threads.





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  #3459860 9-Feb-2026 10:37
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Just FYI, I had to remove a couple of posts where the user copied directly from chat applications. Those posts had incorrect information/data.

 

We will continue to remove crap if it's posted.





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  #3460025 9-Feb-2026 16:16
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I'm finding it useful to use AI as a more intelligent search engine.

 

I can craft a much more complex question - and get useful sources to delve into.

 

A bit like a helpful librarian - anyone remember them ?


 
 
 

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  #3460027 9-Feb-2026 16:28
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Fair enough. But check results before repeating as truth.





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  #3500043 3-Jun-2026 22:27
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Thanks for unlocking this thread.

 

I wanted to restart the discussion after posting in this thread multiple times to help assist with a troubleshooting topic. https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=81&topicid=324848
This is not to bag on the OP, however the usage of AI was not at all productive or helpful to anyone participating in it and the OP themselves.

 

Is there a line drawn in the sand where one could flag this and get it removed/notify the poster to stop using AI summaries?
I'm asking for guidelines/a stance... Straight up misinformation yes I know it would get removed, but it's the misleading summaries that don't tell us or OP anything that they don't already know is also an issue as evident in the above thread.

 

I will out myself and make my biases very well open. I think AI is absolutely bloody awful and I have only seen one good case of AI in the years of my exposure to it(unwillingly)... But seeing this in threads where someone is asking for help and they're the ones not realizing or understanding why their AI summaries are leading them astray... then it gets extremely frustrating and it feels like I am talking to a brick wall.

 

 





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  #3500052 3-Jun-2026 22:57
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Imo freitasm outlined the very low tolerance policy in the two posts above.

Hit the report button on the post to advise the duty mod that AI nonsense is being posted.

Looks like the policy guidance has not made it to the user guide as yet.

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  #3500055 3-Jun-2026 23:07
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gzt: Imo freitasm outlined the very low tolerance policy in the two posts above.

Hit the report button on the post and advise duty mod that AI nonsense is being posted.

Looks like the policy guidance has not made it to the user guide as yet.

 

The other problem which I also forgot to mention in my opening post was that if people are relying on this as their literal source of truth and will not listen to the real human experience… then how does one actually get that through?

 

There are two problems with that thread(and now I have to bag on the OP…).

 

     

  1. AI summaries are incredibly misleading and not productive.
  2. Users do not want to listen to anything but the AI tells them, despite it being dead wrong and explained why.

 

I’m pretty glad this forum is maintained by very attentive individuals(I still owe this forum a lot), but if it’s not in the FUG, then it should be in the FUG and that would require drawing the line.





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