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#93024 30-Oct-2007 09:52

gwoollett: My Mum had TCL Analog pay TV. I remember being rather unimpressed by the picture quality. Maybe it was TCLs way of getting people to go digital...
I got her set up with freeview instead. It's not worth the risk screwing up TCL's cable network for an inferior picture.

I think his point is to get free channels with better quality than he get now from the aerial. It's not about going to super high quality, but get out of the super bad one - for free...

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#93048 30-Oct-2007 13:25

I was well aware he was wanting something for nothing, but if he already has a Sky dish on his roof he can get Freeview for around $150, which is the cost of a STB off Trademe. Rather than doing something that almost certainly breaks the terms & conditions of his service from TCL.
I Just hope he isn't doing it in my street.

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#93055 30-Oct-2007 14:44

sbiddle:
Yes the FTA channels are carried unscrambled over the cable and you can plug this into a TV and receive the channels.

If your only service you receive from TCL is a cable modem then I would strongly urge you not to contemplate trying to split the cable yourself. Cable modems are quite sensitive to signal strength and you risk causing yourself dropouts or slower speeds if the cable modem signal level is lower than desired. ..

No idea of the TCL T&C's in this respect, but in the US it's common practice if you have cable modem service but have not paid for cable TV service, then the cable company inserts a filter in the line so you cannot actually receive the TV. Prior to that many customers were getting cable TV (basic, unscrambled) for free and that was considered illegal.

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#93061 30-Oct-2007 15:46

Nety: The sky dish sitting on your roof is still owned by Sky and they reserve the right to come and take it away if they wish. So if you sold it you would be selling stolen property.

does that mean I can bill Sky for the mess it made when their dish (which I've never used in the 4 years I've been at my home) blew down in the last storm? (right outside my bedroom window!)

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#93069 30-Oct-2007 18:33

Looks like I have opened up a big can of scary, angry, hairy worms.

For those who are saying they will kill me if I plug my TV into TCL's cable, don't fret, I take your advice and I certainly don't want to screw up my own cable modem's connection - hence I asked for advice.

I guess what is going to happen is I will wait until terrestrial FV TV comes around. I am not going to shell out for satellite and not get HD. I will wait until it comes out, see if I get good enough reception, and if I don’t I will get in an aerial specialist in.

I feel that as I have good title over my home (per indefeasible title under the Torrens land transfer system) that I also have good title over the satellite dish attached to – and therefore part of my home.

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#93070 30-Oct-2007 18:35

You realise anything wrong on TCL's network for the next couple of weeks will be blamed on you, even if you don't plug anything to the cable?

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#93071 30-Oct-2007 18:44

LOL yes. and I invite them to insepect my unadulterated cable.

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#93074 30-Oct-2007 19:08

MrPink: Get sky installed and they'll stick a dish in, use that till you can cancel it, then use a freeview STB

Curiously, I have an unused dish as i'm on TCL, I wonder if there is a market for unused dishes now...

I have seen dishes for as low as $65 new, so no, I dont think there is a market for used Sky ones (which dont belong to you anyway, so selling is illegal reall).

Sky for one year: $671.76
Digital install: $99
One year of Sky basic: $572.76

Freeview for many years: $289.00
Dish: $60
Satellite finder: $30
STB: $99
Miscellaneous connectors and coax: $100

So subscribing to Sky just to get a dish for freeview is a somewhat absurd proposition too...

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#93075 30-Oct-2007 19:12

Rincey:
Nety: The sky dish sitting on your roof is still owned by Sky and they reserve the right to come and take it away if they wish. So if you sold it you would be selling stolen property.

does that mean I can bill Sky for the mess it made when their dish (which I've never used in the 4 years I've been at my home) blew down in the last storm? (right outside my bedroom window!)

So someone invited Sky to put their dish in place. You dont use it for four years (and possibly never once checked its mountings), and dont ask Sky to come and take it down, but you want to bill Sky when it gives out and causes damage caused by an act of god for which you probably have insurance for?

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#93098 30-Oct-2007 22:08

freitasm:
mikeoneil:
bcourtney:

And if that node is the node that I'm on, then I will hunt you down!!

... components sounds a bit like someone who has an interest in protectionism.

What on earth does "hunt me down " mean? I take that as a threat. Where is the moderator?

Take what sbiddle says about components as a good advice, not protectionism. He doesn't have any interest on TelstraClear or DSE.

As for the "threat" it is a joke, meaning that if you do things like this you are risking bringing problems to everyone on that network node.

Hey guys, I missed the smiley face, and simply responded to the tone of the text. I need to get with the medium.

I stand by what I said about the fact that the installer did no testing. I helped the guy out by running the cable under the house myself while he did the connection at the street, because he turned up two days earlier than expected, in the weekend! By the time he had finished that part of the job, my my son and I had run the cable from the small room we have for our household computer room / office to the point where the cable enters the house from the street.

No testing at all was done. Unless testing is done, there is no measurable standard of quality of the installation, regardless of the quality of components used, poor quality is only revealed by testing. I do have enough experience in network installation and management of technical staff to know that this stuff is entirely dependent on standards of workmanship measured against recognised standards. In hindsight I should have asked the guy how does TCL guarantee the quality of his work. All I did was sign for the fact that he ran cable.

I did not know / think that I was implicitly signing for the fact that this was done to a standard that would not impact others on the network.

Neither did anyone to my recollection of the whole process of signing up for a telstra connection say that to place any other commponentry between the network termination and the cable modem was a breach of my contract with TCL. There was more concern about how I would pay the bill.

I withdraw the remark about protectionism. I operate from the principle that well informed individuals with reasonable skills will generally operate with good intent when doing this sort of work.

With respect to whether SKY still own a dish that they have not recovered from private property after a period of 4 years with no payment being made for the service provided by such a device might be an interesting test case, but then I also think people should leave the interpretation of the law to those qualified in that field.

Goodnight all.

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#93103 30-Oct-2007 23:00

mikeoneil:
I stand by what I said about the fact that the installer did no testing. I helped the guy out by running the cable under the house myself while he did the connection at the street, because he turned up two days earlier than expected, in the weekend! By the time he had finished that part of the job, my my son and I had run the cable from the small room we have for our household computer room / office to the point where the cable enters the house from the street.

I'm surprised that the technician allowed this. All cabling should be done by the Technician, that's what they are paid to do. In fact, you did him a favour by doing his work for him (which in turn he would have been paid for doing).

No testing at all was done. Unless testing is done, there is no measurable standard of quality of the installation, regardless of the quality of components used, poor quality is only revealed by testing. I do have enough experience in network installation and management of technical staff to know that this stuff is entirely dependent on standards of workmanship measured against recognised standards. In hindsight I should have asked the guy how does TCL guarantee the quality of his work. All I did was sign for the fact that he ran cable.

This is surprising, technicians need to meet specific measurements when installing cabling (signal, tilt etc).
I suggest you send an email to TCL and voice your concerns about this. They would be most interested to hear this.

A poor installation at one property can in fact affect everyone in that street or node (ingress etc). In fact people plugging the cable into their own devices (TV's, 'home brew pvrs' and the like) will introduce ingress unless it is properly terminated and is approved equipment to be connected to the network. Simple things like a loose connector (ie: finger tight only) can introduce ingress into the network.

I withdraw the remark about protectionism. I operate from the principle that well informed individuals with reasonable skills will generally operate with good intent when doing this sort of work.

Counting the fact that you did the technicians job, which he was duly paid for.

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