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#1514626 16-Mar-2016 17:34

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I'm surprised that no NZ networks have introduced voLTE.

HD voice over 3G does a great job

Vodafone AU and Telstra are running voLTE networks don't know about optus. In fact a lot of countries are running voLTE over LTE.

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#1514629 16-Mar-2016 17:40

ajw:
johnr:
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I'm surprised that no NZ networks have introduced voLTE.

HD voice over 3G does a great job

Vodafone AU and Telstra are running voLTE networks don't know about optus. In fact a lot of countries are running voLTE over LTE.

This thread is about 2G / GSM and VoLTE it's going OT maybe a discussion for another thread but I would not be able to comment anyway

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#1514632 16-Mar-2016 17:46

johnr:
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johnr:
ajw:

I'm surprised that no NZ networks have introduced voLTE.

HD voice over 3G does a great job

Vodafone AU and Telstra are running voLTE networks don't know about optus. In fact a lot of countries are running voLTE over LTE.

This thread is about 2G / GSM and VoLTE it's going OT maybe a discussion for another thread but I would not be able to comment anyway

Wonder how long before 3G is switched off and everything run over a dedicated packet switched network.

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#1514638 16-Mar-2016 18:02

VoLTE is a complete and utter dead loss which is such a poor fragmented solution there is no real hope of it ever being successful. GSM and 3G will remain the primary voice solution for 4G for most networks. Yes it exists and yes networks use it, but it's far too late (and too broken) for it to ever become the norm for voice.

Lets hope they have the brains to actually build a voice solution for 5G when they ratify it.

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#1514652 16-Mar-2016 18:13

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VoLTE is a complete and utter dead loss which is such a poor fragmented solution there is no real hope of it ever being successful. GSM and 3G will remain the primary voice solution for 4G for most networks. Yes it exists and yes networks use it, but it's far too late (and too broken) for it to ever become the norm for voice.

Lets hope they have the brains to actually build a voice solution for 5G when they ratify it.

Well plenty of MNO's seem to be happy to spend money deploying it.

http://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/story/t-mobile-13-all-calls-are-now-volte/2015-11-11

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#1514658 16-Mar-2016 18:24

Thats a shame, switching my phone back to 2g was a good way to still be able to communicate via txt when the canterbury earthquakes hit when the 3g network was overloaded.

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#1514665 16-Mar-2016 18:46

@shoes2468 the capacity of the 3G network has been increased many times since 2011

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#1514676 16-Mar-2016 19:35

sbiddle:

VoLTE is a complete and utter dead loss which is such a poor fragmented solution there is no real hope of it ever being successful. GSM and 3G will remain the primary voice solution for 4G for most networks. Yes it exists and yes networks use it, but it's far too late (and too broken) for it to ever become the norm for voice.

Lets hope they have the brains to actually build a voice solution for 5G when they ratify it.

I thought people just used instatwitbook to communicate these days?

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#1514779 16-Mar-2016 23:04

I could be wrong but isnt the number of 2g smart electricity meters about 25% of vodafone's total number of cellular connections?

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#1514792 17-Mar-2016 04:11

Friends of mine will be peeved if this happens they currently get buggar all 2G at their place (and by that I mean lucky to get one bar if your in the right spot in the house) and absolutely NO 3/4G at all

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#1514798 17-Mar-2016 07:05

Athlonite:

Friends of mine will be peeved if this happens they currently get buggar all 2G at their place (and by that I mean lucky to get one bar if your in the right spot in the house) and absolutely NO 3/4G at all

This would be pretty rare though. Up until Vodafone moved to their single RAN sites a few years ago and actually deployed GSM in some areas that didn't have it there were heaps of places that were 3G only. This posed quite a few problems for the electricity meters (and is probably the reason GSM was deployed in these areas).

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#1514834 17-Mar-2016 08:54

StevieT:

So with my mobile broadband connection (either Vodafone smart phone connected to laptop via bluetooth, or 4G Pocket Wifi), if I can't obtain a connection to the 3G or 4G network (and I am presuming here if 2G is available, it connects to that otherwise says 'no connection available'), then without 2G to fall onto, 'no connection available' will result?

Yes.

If you can't get a connection (3G), or a connection (4G), or a connection (2G), there'll be no connection. ;)

The footprint of 3G 900MHz now is very good, hugely different from what it was previously, and 4G 700MHz is really expanding too. When it does ineveitably happen it probably won't be as big an issue as it seems it might be now, but agree the biggest problems will probably be with embedded devices.

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#1515446 18-Mar-2016 10:17

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StevieT:

So with my mobile broadband connection (either Vodafone smart phone connected to laptop via bluetooth, or 4G Pocket Wifi), if I can't obtain a connection to the 3G or 4G network (and I am presuming here if 2G is available, it connects to that otherwise says 'no connection available'), then without 2G to fall onto, 'no connection available' will result?

Yes.

If you can't get a connection (3G), or a connection (4G), or a connection (2G), there'll be no connection. ;)

The footprint of 3G 900MHz now is very good, hugely different from what it was previously, and 4G 700MHz is really expanding too. When it does ineveitably happen it probably won't be as big an issue as it seems it might be now, but agree the biggest problems will probably be with embedded devices.

Hi Dylan

Thank you for your response. For clarity, if the 2G network is being turned off (and I am in an area which would get 2G, -if- 3G or 4G is unavailable), instead of the mobile broadband device connecting to the 2G network, there will be no connection until I am back in a 3 or 4G area?

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#1515460 18-Mar-2016 10:35

StevieT:

dylanp:

StevieT:

So with my mobile broadband connection (either Vodafone smart phone connected to laptop via bluetooth, or 4G Pocket Wifi), if I can't obtain a connection to the 3G or 4G network (and I am presuming here if 2G is available, it connects to that otherwise says 'no connection available'), then without 2G to fall onto, 'no connection available' will result?

Yes.

If you can't get a connection (3G), or a connection (4G), or a connection (2G), there'll be no connection. ;)

The footprint of 3G 900MHz now is very good, hugely different from what it was previously, and 4G 700MHz is really expanding too. When it does ineveitably happen it probably won't be as big an issue as it seems it might be now, but agree the biggest problems will probably be with embedded devices.

Hi Dylan

Thank you for your response. For clarity, if the 2G network is being turned off (and I am in an area which would get 2G, -if- 3G or 4G is unavailable), instead of the mobile broadband device connecting to the 2G network, there will be no connection until I am back in a 3 or 4G area?

Yep, that's right. If 3G and 4G is unavailable (because out of coverage), there will be no 2G to try (because turned off), so you'll need to be back in 3G or 4G coverage before you're connected again.

In the timeframe that this change is happening you might upgrade anyway to a new super amazing 4G extended capable pocket wifi with cat 9 carrier aggregation etc etc which might perform much faster over better range.

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#1515536 18-Mar-2016 11:55

raytaylor:

I could be wrong but isnt the number of 2g smart electricity meters about 25% of vodafone's total number of cellular connections?

People seem to be missing the fact that it's 2G voice that will be switched off. According to the article 2G data will not be switched off until 2025.

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