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Vodafone have chosen to under-invest in the infrastructure leaving many users with terrible internet connections, yet the vast majority, including most people in this thread, seem content to suck it up and deal with it.
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I don't think that "content" is the right word - they feel that they have no other option, and many of them have no realistic alternative.
Psychologists call it "learned helplessness" 
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ramboky:
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Vodafone have chosen to under-invest in the infrastructure leaving many users with terrible internet connections, yet the vast majority, including most people in this thread, seem content to suck it up and deal with it.
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I don't think that "content" is the right word - they feel that they have no other option, and many of them have no realistic alternative.
Psychologists call it "learned helplessness"
What amazes me are people who see this thread, and sign up for it anyway.
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ramboky:
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Vodafone have chosen to under-invest in the infrastructure leaving many users with terrible internet connections, yet the vast majority, including most people in this thread, seem content to suck it up and deal with it.
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I don't think that "content" is the right word - they feel that they have no other option, and many of them have no realistic alternative.
Psychologists call it "learned helplessness"
You're right, content is the wrong word, but they're still choosing to do nothing about it. Each person's reasons are different of course and many of those reasons are perfectly valid, but the end result is the same. Vodafone can do what they like with impunity.
Everyone here has the option of contacting the TDR, but very few are.
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I don't think that "content" is the right word - they feel that they have no other option, and many of them have no realistic alternative.
Psychologists call it "learned helplessness"
As an extreme example of "no alternative":
My son (who is IT literate and follows this thread) has recently returned to New Zealand, and is renting a house in our street.
His house is connected to HFC cable by an underground conduit (unusual in our suburb).
This conduit lies underneath a long concrete drive, recently resurfaced.
There is no copper connection (the old POTS line was used as a pull-through for cable).
Fibre is not available for another 3 years.
Oh, the irony 
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I don't think that "content" is the right word - they feel that they have no other option, and many of them have no realistic alternative.
Psychologists call it "learned helplessness"
As an extreme example of "no alternative":
My son (who is IT literate and follows this thread) has recently returned to New Zealand, and is renting a house in our street.
His house is connected to HFC cable by an underground conduit (unusual in our suburb).
This conduit lies underneath a long concrete drive, recently resurfaced.
There is no copper connection (the old POTS line was used as a pull-through for cable).
Fibre is not available for another 3 years.
Oh, the irony
You can use the HFC cable as a pull wire to pull the copper back in.
As has been proven reliable VDSL is an improvement over peak time congested Cable.
As someone who lives on 14MB ADSL with a family of 5 (granted my daughters aren't gamers... yet) and will see UFB late next year. And has an now unused Cable connection running to my house I never get complaints about peak time buffering / slowdowns and frequently all 3 of them are on YouTube without issue.
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BarTender:
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You can use the HFC cable as a pull wire to pull the copper back in.
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It's a rental property.
It was the landlord's decision to replace copper with HFC.
Game, set, and match
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BarTender:
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You can use the HFC cable as a pull wire to pull the copper back in.
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It's a rental property.
It was the landlord's decision to replace copper with HFC.
Game, set, and match
Sounds like a good landlord trying to do the right thing. Very unfortunate, but then it's not the landlords fault it is congested. As far as they were concerned they were providing the best possible solution. To pull out the copper seems to be a strange decision though.
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BarTender:
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You can use the HFC cable as a pull wire to pull the copper back in.
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It's a rental property.
It was the landlord's decision to replace copper with HFC.
Game, set, and match
Sounds like a good landlord trying to do the right thing. Very unfortunate, but then it's not the landlords fault it is congested. As far as they were concerned they were providing the best possible solution. To pull out the copper seems to be a strange decision though.
It's pretty standard practice if there is a single small duct to use the copper pair as a pull wire to get the hybrid Coax & Copper cable through the duct. To then re-pull the Chorus cable back through would be unusual. Plus Chorus can't connect up xDSL services to the Vodafone copper pair as they don't own that piece of cable from the street to the ETP on the side of the house.
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Island Bay, cable 100/10 Mbps, node WKH - UPDATE
averaged hourly TrueNet downstream stats:
before the upgrade:
a week after the upgrade:
two weeks after the upgrade:
The magic is still working ... but for how long?
EDIT: Note that these stats are for my own connection only - there are several other "child nodes" on WKH, and I don't know how well they are performing.
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Its a bit of a cough and splutter night
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