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  #1624819 6-Sep-2016 21:26
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Island Bay, cable 100/10, node WKH:

 

Day 5 after the upgrade

 

Full line speeds to WGT, AUK, SYD, MEL, LAX  ...

 

... BUT multiple short outages from 3pm, requiring modem reboots, and slow page loading intermittently.

 

This NPerf speed test to Auckland (at 3pm) actually shows the start of an outage (the sudden fall to zero at right) halfway through the test : 

 





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  #1625588 8-Sep-2016 12:46
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Where are things at with DOCSIS 3.1? since all the fibre companies are going to be offering 1 gigabit soon if not already

 

not that I need 1 gigabit speed however.....


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https://www.chorus.co.nz/chorus-launches-gigabit-wholesale-broadband-services-nationwide

 

Since Vodafone has been occasionally marketing the cable network as "UFB", does that mean that we'll have gigabit on October 1st too? ;)




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  #1625983 8-Sep-2016 19:40
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Kodiack:

https://www.chorus.co.nz/chorus-launches-gigabit-wholesale-broadband-services-nationwide


Since Vodafone has been occasionally marketing the cable network as "UFB", does that mean that we'll have gigabit on October 1st too? ;)


What on earth do you need that for?




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  #1626028 8-Sep-2016 20:17
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I doubt that would happen, sadly.

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  #1626032 8-Sep-2016 20:29
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Kodiack:

 

<snip>   Since Vodafone has been occasionally marketing the cable network as "UFB", does that mean that we'll have gigabit on October 1st too? ;)

 

 

They still do:  

 

 

 





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  #1626036 8-Sep-2016 20:33
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They still do:  



 



That's because it is.




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  #1626040 8-Sep-2016 20:37
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Sideface:

 

 

 

They still dowink

 

 

 

Hah! Such a shame that Vodafone is still advertising cable as "UFB". At this rate, Vodafone will continue the trend of being about one order of magnitude slower than "real" UFB.

 

quickymart: I doubt that would happen, sadly.

 

Naw, I don't think so either, haha. My comment was pretty much entirely tongue-in-cheek. It's such a shame that Vodafone's continued investment still seems to keep it comfortably behind fibre, though. This isn't a surprise, but it's still disappointing.

That said, I am quite happy with the connection's performance since the node upgrades. I'm thankful that I have access to a connection that's finally now performing this well when we would otherwise be stuck with VDSL at best. Things have been responsive and latency has been low. Still looking forward to more bandwidth down the road, though, since it is a shared connection.

 

Also, if anything, hopefully UFB's pricing will encourage Vodafone to drop their monthly rates. We're back to paying something like $120 per month, while customers that can get fibre are able to get 7.5x as much download speed and 50x as much upload speed for half the price. If Vodafone wants to compete with areas that are getting fibre, they're not going to be able to do so at existing prices.

 

I'm not upset or anything, so please don't interpret anything in this post as such. I was mostly making a bit of a joke earlier, and now I'm simply noting some observations of what Vodafone will likely need to do if they want to retain customers.


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  #1626055 8-Sep-2016 20:56
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Kodiack:

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They still dowink




Hah! Such a shame that Vodafone is still advertising cable as "UFB". At this rate, Vodafone will continue the trend of being about one order of magnitude slower than "real" UFB.


quickymart: I doubt that would happen, sadly.


Naw, I don't think so either, haha. My comment was pretty much entirely tongue-in-cheek. It's such a shame that Vodafone's continued investment still seems to keep it comfortably behind fibre, though. This isn't a surprise, but it's still disappointing.

That said, I am quite happy with the connection's performance since the node upgrades. I'm thankful that I have access to a connection that's finally now performing this well when we would otherwise be stuck with VDSL at best. Things have been responsive and latency has been low. Still looking forward to more bandwidth down the road, though, since it is a shared connection.


Also, if anything, hopefully UFB's pricing will encourage Vodafone to drop their monthly rates. We're back to paying something like $120 per month, while customers that can get fibre are able to get 7.5x as much download speed and 50x as much upload speed for half the price. If Vodafone wants to compete with areas that are getting fibre, they're not going to be able to do so at existing prices.


I'm not upset or anything, so please don't interpret anything in this post as such. I was mostly making a bit of a joke earlier, and now I'm simply noting some observations of what Vodafone will likely need to do if they want to retain customers.



Spark 100 ufb is $104. That's comparable.




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  #1626099 8-Sep-2016 22:03
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kharris:

 

That's because it is.

 

Only compared to dialup...

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  #1626102 8-Sep-2016 22:07
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Lias:

kharris:


That's because it is.


Only compared to dialup...


 


 


 


Oh rubbish. 100-130 down and 20 up is comparable to most ufb offerings.




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  #1626106 8-Sep-2016 22:19
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kharris:
Lias:

 

kharris:

 

That's because it is.

 

Only compared to dialup...

 


Oh rubbish. 100-130 down and 20 up is comparable to most ufb offerings.

 

Yeah we have this x many hundred page thread because it works so well :-P





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  #1626107 8-Sep-2016 22:32
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Lias:

 

kharris:

 

That's because it is.

 

Only compared to dialup...

 

 

Back to basics:

 

Dial-up has a transfer rate of 56 Kilobits of data per second under ideal conditions.

 

 

TrueNet





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  #1626110 8-Sep-2016 22:50
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Lias:

kharris:
Lias:


kharris:


That's because it is.


Only compared to dialup...



Oh rubbish. 100-130 down and 20 up is comparable to most ufb offerings.


Yeah we have this x many hundred page thread because it works so well :-P



Yeah and the latest round of upgrades seem to suggest that is finally being rectified. So the advertised speed (and now witnessed speed) is comperable. Sorry for being positive. Was I supposed to keep dumping on them even though they are clearly making headway. My bad!!!!




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I feel like I'm partially to blame for this arguing, so let me reiterate: My initial post tonight was largely tongue-in-cheek, and no, I do not have any expectation whatsoever of gigabit connectivity the moment October rolls around. I am quite happy with my connection now, and I'm grateful that we can have such a now-solidly-performing line when we would otherwise be limited to VDSL. I would have personally switched months ago were it not for my flatmates insisting we stay with Vodafone, but now that the congestion has seemingly been sorted, I've been consistently pleased with the results.

 

However, I do hope that Vodafone will potentially lower prices a bit to stay competitive. My fear is that if Vodafone cannot encourage customers to use the cable network, then they will not continue to invest in it. I'm honestly really impressed with the investment that has apparently gone into the network, even in areas that have fibre available. Though choosing between fibre and cable will be a no-brainer: Fibre will be notably less expensive while simultaneously providing several times the bandwidth. If Vodafone wants the cable network to survive, then they need to give it a competitive edge, otherwise the network is basically only here to satiate many customers until fibre is available.

 

Particularly for the sake of people that won't be getting fibre for several more years, I do hope that Vodafone can continue to give the HFC network the continued love and attention it needs, as they have for these past several weeks. I imagine the DOCSIS 3.1 rollout will be a huge success, but I hope that Vodafone can at least find a way to keep it running as a reliable revenue stream. As frustrated as I've been with Vodafone's slow improvements over these past 1.5 years, I do still hope that they can do well with this network. It's the only thing that some people have for  "ultra" high-speed Internet access. I just hope that - for the sake of competition - Vodafone can also keep it competing with fibre.

 

Call me cynical and highly sceptical of anything Vodafone says, I still don't want to see them invest all of these resources into such massive upgrades, only for it all to be for naught two years down the road.

 

Vodafone, I do wish you the best of luck, even if I am the first to come biting at your feet when congestion rears its ugly head. I understand how difficult the business case for pushing these advancements onto this network must be. At the end of the day, you are providing a service for people that would otherwise be stuck with potentially much worse for years to come. When the network is performing as advertised, it is indeed fair to see that cable is UFB-comparable. Heck, keep advertising UFB even when cable's 100 Mbps and fibre's up to 1000 Mbps. I really, honestly do not care - so long as those advertised speeds are realistic. :)


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