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#1500214 26-Feb-2016 22:50

Jase2985:
that fibre might be laid in the street but its not available yet as they havent finished other stuff relating to it yet. keep checking :)

pretty sure vodafones stance is still no UFB where there is cable

True. Digging up the street means fibre is not available, but it will be. After the infrastructure is laid it needs to be connected and configured to the Chorus, Enable, UFF, Northpower etc networks. Then, you will get a flyer in your letterbox

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#1500428 27-Feb-2016 16:07

Well the Chorus map shows Khandallah in June 2017 so I have time to wait. Short of moving guess I am stuck with cable for 18 more months. Let's hope DOCSIS 3.1 is a marked improvement, especially w.r.t. upload speeds.

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#1500509 27-Feb-2016 20:13

IF Vodafone can't get cable 100 to work properly in terms of speed, I doubt 1 Gbps will be achievable.

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#1500527 27-Feb-2016 21:25

freitasm:

IF Vodafone can't get cable 100 to work properly in terms of speed, I doubt 1 Gbps will be achievable.

it will be, at 4am in the morning, at 8pm it will slow to a craw like it does currently on what they have now

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#1500578 28-Feb-2016 08:04

SteveC: This is interesting - a friend is on Vodafone cable. She got a card left in her door saying a Vodafone sales-guy has this special offer to move on to UFB. Two issues:
* The card lists advantages of UFB over xDSL. Did the guy even know she is on cable?
* People in this forum say that Vodafone don't offer UFB where they already have fiber. Also, Spark and Vodafone web sites both say UFB is not available - although she did say someone has been digging the street lately.

Thoughts?

A co worker in Christchurch rang Vodafone and asked for a fiber connection. Vodafone installed cable. They thought they had fiber (not technical people, just wanted faster) until I asked about how the install went. You got cable guys...dodgy sales people indeed!

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#1500585 28-Feb-2016 09:18

Get fibre! Don't use Vodafone.

I am a Vodafone cable customer paying $120 for 130/10. I will be switching away from Voda and onto to fibre the day it is available at my house (apparently will be by June this year).

The only reason I'm on cable is that my end of the street is not on a cabinet, so copper would be ADSL all the way back to the exchange.

OP wants to play games. It might be worth thinking about latency. I've never been able to get sub 20ms to anything, even Voda servers in my city. On fibre, many friends get 3ms.

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#1500620 28-Feb-2016 10:28

RmACK:
Get fibre! Don't use Vodafone.

TV TV TV - it has it's problems, but is still pretty popular.
We've been on cable since it arrived in our street (about 2001 or so), and it has almost always worked well - certainly no serious issues when many people were suffering over the last two years. A friend had a terrid time getting connected the way she wanted, but no serious issues since.
My friend, and my family, are very keen on the Vodafone T-Box for Freecycle. It is included at no charge with Uncapped Internet plans. She relies on it - TV is analouge only, so would need a different box, (which she would have to buy and maintain) to get TV any other way. We have a Digital tuner in our Samsung TV, but recording on it is complicated, inconsistent, unreliable and encrypted based on the motherboard of the TV. We have used, or helped others use, various Freeview boxes, but none has been as simple and reliable as we have found the T-Box.
I've created a MythTV server, which hums away in the attic, and records things on request, but accessing it is not simple for mere mortals. By contrast, the T-Box works most the time, apart from a very annoying habit of often skipping back to where it came from after using rewind :-(. (Every 4 to 6 weeks or so, it hangs, and needs a power cycle.)

So, my question is, if we are going to follow the "Don't use Vodafone." advice (and I can think of many good reasons to go that way), what does anyone suggest we do to receive and record Freeview in HD?

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#1500621 28-Feb-2016 10:34

SteveC: So, my question is, if we are going to follow the "Don't use Vodafone." advice (and I can think of many good reasons to go that way), what does anyone suggest we do to receive and record Freeview in HD?

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The first question: do you live in a Freeview HD coverage area? If yes, you just need a smart TV or a Freeview HD receiver, which there are many options around. If not, then you will have to look at other options such as Sky or even getting off broadcast TV and using streaming services such as Netflix or any of the ones here.

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#1500648 28-Feb-2016 11:38

johnr:
BlinkyBill: Also, why can't I add a mobile to the same bill as the broadband?

@BlinkyBill as fixed line and mobile are separate billing platforms

So what? I understand that is the reason, but WHY ARE THERE TWO BILLING PLATFORMS? They are the same company! The buyout happened long ago enough to integrate them.

This sort of thing irritates me beyond belief, once a month.

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#1500651 28-Feb-2016 11:44

Two story house in Kilbirnie, on the side of a hill with limited access, probably up for $600 to install a UHF aerial (which would work fine), then the price a new TV. That's a lot of money, she has already weathered the crap support during installation, and the service has worked fine since.
Also I've yet to hear of a TV that programmable using an app (Vodafone one works well for me). Perhaps the latest TVs are more user-friendly than our three-ish year old "E Series" Samsung.

So, IMHO TV is one (perhaps the only) reason to go with cable rather than non-Vodafone fibre. Readers of this thread might have missed a TrueNet graph freitasm used last September It suggests that Cable 100 is unlikely to be anything like the speed of Fibre 100 at peak times, but a comparison of Cable 50 and Fibre 30 (which are similar price) will be much closer.

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#1500908 28-Feb-2016 19:38

SteveC:

Two story house in Kilbirnie, on the side of a hill with limited access, probably up for $600 to install a UHF aerial (which would work fine), then the price a new TV. That's a lot of money, she has already weathered the crap support during installation, and the service has worked fine since.
Also I've yet to hear of a TV that programmable using an app (Vodafone one works well for me). Perhaps the latest TVs are more user-friendly than our three-ish year old "E Series" Samsung.

So, IMHO TV is one (perhaps the only) reason to go with cable rather than non-Vodafone fibre. Readers of this thread might have missed a TrueNet graph freitasm used last September It suggests that Cable 100 is unlikely to be anything like the speed of Fibre 100 at peak times, but a comparison of Cable 50 and Fibre 30 (which are similar price) will be much closer.

I think the key to that is that the graph was from last year and work has been done to improve things. Yes, it's not quite right for a few people around the Island Bay region it seems, but for others I don't think its anywhere near where it was last September.

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#1500938 28-Feb-2016 20:37

r2b2: <snip> I think the key to that is that the graph was from last year and work has been done to improve things. Yes, it's not quite right for a few people around the Island Bay region it seems, but for others I don't think its anywhere near where it was last September.

"not quite right" is something of an understatement ... as is "a few"

Here are my TrueNet stats from last week:
Island Bay, 100/10 cable, measured via ethernet

Wellington:

Auckland: (relevant because all international traffic goes through there)

Yes, the situation is better than it was in September, but not by much, and the service is getting progressively worse with every passing day.

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EDIT These comments refer to Island Bay only - cable reportedly works better elsewhere in Wellington.

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#1501004 28-Feb-2016 22:17

BlinkyBill:
johnr:
BlinkyBill: Also, why can't I add a mobile to the same bill as the broadband?

@BlinkyBill as fixed line and mobile are separate billing platforms

So what? I understand that is the reason, but WHY ARE THERE TWO BILLING PLATFORMS? They are the same company! The buyout happened long ago enough to integrate them.

This sort of thing irritates me beyond belief, once a month.

You are placing your uninformed preferences ahead of reality

Do you want Voda to press 3 buttons to automagically fix this?

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#1501026 28-Feb-2016 23:07

I remember kawaii saying something similar a few months ago. As I said to him, if you can go to Vodafone with a platform that is cost-effective and allows all services to be on one invoice (as well as supporting legacy customers) and you can convince them to run with it, don't let me be the man who stands in the way of you doing that. But it's nowhere near as easy as you think.

Hell, when I last worked there (2005) the ex-Clear and ex-TSL services were still being billed separately, despite them being merged in 2001 - 4 years earlier. There's no easy, cheap fix or solution for this as they are all legacy companies using their own billing systems, customised for each former company.

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#1501072 28-Feb-2016 23:24

quickymart: But it's nowhere near as easy as you think.

I liked the line - might have been Maveric on the WorldxChange forum who first said it to me, but I'm sure it dates back to the days of Alexander Graham himself: Technical manager talking with sales manager at x Telco "We can switch it, but can you bill it?"
I've often though this could be why VoIP services (well, WorldxChange in particular) include heaps of services in the basic fee, while Spark and Vodafone still charge for them if you use their analouge phone services.

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