Reponding to your questions about the iPhone pricing

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#147094 12-Jul-2008 12:46

I had a chat to a guy at a VF store last night about the casual $1/day data plan. They don't have any more information about it yet, but when it comes on the 28th of July I'm going to pop my prepay sim into a 3G phone and see if I get a) data b) charged at the correct rate. Then I'll go to a store and check out the APN settings on my account.

From there, it's simple.

Call up a friend/relative in Australia.

Have them go to an Optus store and buy the phone.
They go home, activate, create an iTunes store account with your name on it.
Next day, go to the Optus store and pay $80 to have it unlocked.
Then, send it to you with as many iTunes gift cards as you want/lots of account credit, plus the phone.
Start the phone up, set up your itunes with your new account from them, change the APN and voila!

So keen to hear if someone tries this, or I may be an early adopter depening on how much dosh I have at the end of the month :-D

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#148442 16-Jul-2008 10:56

KurstenShalfoon:

Why are your data caps so small?
The plans have been developed based on the usage of the existing iPhones (2G) that we have on our network. As you know we have a 3Gig 3G Broadband plan in the market and based on uptake and usage of our existing plans we may open this to the iPhone.

So let me get this straight... Vodafone has determined that the best way to gauge potential 3G data usage is to monitor GPRS usage patterns and then develop plans around that? That doesn't sound quite right in my books.

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#148443 16-Jul-2008 11:11

munchkin:
KurstenShalfoon:

Why are your data caps so small?
The plans have been developed based on the usage of the existing iPhones (2G) that we have on our network. As you know we have a 3Gig 3G Broadband plan in the market and based on uptake and usage of our existing plans we may open this to the iPhone.

So let me get this straight... Vodafone has determined that the best way to gauge potential 3G data usage is to monitor GPRS usage patterns and then develop plans around that? That doesn't sound quite right in my books.

Especially considering that everyone keeps their data usage small cause its so freaking expensive!

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#148448 16-Jul-2008 11:33

munchkin:
KurstenShalfoon:

Why are your data caps so small?
The plans have been developed based on the usage of the existing iPhones (2G) that we have on our network. As you know we have a 3Gig 3G Broadband plan in the market and based on uptake and usage of our existing plans we may open this to the iPhone.

So let me get this straight... Vodafone has determined that the best way to gauge potential 3G data usage is to monitor GPRS usage patterns and then develop plans around that? That doesn't sound quite right in my books.

And that's why most ISPs in New Zealand got a FAIL. They started with very conservative model, based on a low broadband uptake from three years ago, and did not consider all the user generated content, pictures, movies, downloads.

Vodafone is doing the same. Applying data collected from the low usage from a couple of years into plans delivered to a device with high Internet requirements...

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#148460 16-Jul-2008 12:14

Here's the latest and greatest mobile device that will change the way you use mobile internet.

It's revolutionary, faster, and more convenient, and we expect that you will use it no more than you currently access the internet on your mobile.

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#148488 16-Jul-2008 13:20

NZI Business this morning got a story on the iPhone (a bit late, and they also misspelled Kursten Shalfoon as Shulfoon.)

(Chapter 3, half way through)

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#148502 16-Jul-2008 13:58

So I just spoke to a Vodafone customer service rep about my thoughts on buying an iPhone and this is what transpired:

Me: I currently have a Sony Ericsson phone with a Motormouth voice plan and a 1Gb data plan (about $90 a month). I'm thinking about buying an iPhone outright, but would still like to use my SE on weekends, as it fit's in my pocket nicely, so I thought I'd just swap my SIM between the two. Any reason I can't do this?

VF: No, you can put your current SIM in an iPhone, but you wont be able to use and data on the iPhone.

Me: Huh? So using iPhone data is reliant on the SIM? Can I then simply get a new SIM with my current number & plans which will allow me to use iPhone data?

VF: Yes, but then you couldn't use data on your SE, only voice & text.

Me: Huh? Ok, what about this crazy idea: Can I get two SIMs for my same number, one with iPhone data capability and one with general data capability for my SE, with the ability to only use of the two phones at a time.

VF: No, not possible.

Me: Hmm, ok, worth a shot.

Me: So, you're telling me that as a customer who currently uses 500Mb to 1Gb of data a month, and I'm not even looking for an iPhone subsidy, I'll just buy one outright, you cannot offer me any way to use both handsets to their full capability on the same account?

VF: No.

Can anyone from Vodafone clarify this for me? I just wanna buy an iPhone and use it's full capability on my current plans, but still also use my SE from time to time, also to it's full capability.

I just can't understand why the iPhone is being treated like this weird mysterious creature and not a regular handset. I understand it is different in a lot of ways, but at the end of the day, it's still just a handset, with voice, text and data capabilities. Surely, my scenario should be simple enough?

Scott

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#148509 16-Jul-2008 14:26

scottatron: So I just spoke to a Vodafone customer service rep about my thoughts on buying an iPhone and this is what transpired:

Me: I currently have a Sony Ericsson phone with a Motormouth voice plan and a 1Gb data plan (about $90 a month). I'm thinking about buying an iPhone outright, but would still like to use my SE on weekends, as it fit's in my pocket nicely, so I thought I'd just swap my SIM between the two. Any reason I can't do this?

VF: No, you can put your current SIM in an iPhone, but you wont be able to use and data on the iPhone.

Me: Huh? So using iPhone data is reliant on the SIM? Can I then simply get a new SIM with my current number & plans which will allow me to use iPhone data?

VF: Yes, but then you couldn't use data on your SE, only voice & text.

Me: Huh? Ok, what about this crazy idea: Can I get two SIMs for my same number, one with iPhone data capability and one with general data capability for my SE, with the ability to only use of the two phones at a time.

VF: No, not possible.

Me: Hmm, ok, worth a shot.

Me: So, you're telling me that as a customer who currently uses 500Mb to 1Gb of data a month, and I'm not even looking for an iPhone subsidy, I'll just buy one outright, you cannot offer me any way to use both handsets to their full capability on the same account?

VF: No.

Can anyone from Vodafone clarify this for me? I just wanna buy an iPhone and use it's full capability on my current plans, but still also use my SE from time to time, also to it's full capability.

I just can't understand why the iPhone is being treated like this weird mysterious creature and not a regular handset. I understand it is different in a lot of ways, but at the end of the day, it's still just a handset, with voice, text and data capabilities. Surely, my scenario should be simple enough?

Scott

Ha - ROFL!

I can SO believe that. I had a similar conversation that went something like this:

Me: Hi, I have a current Vodafone and would like to buy an iPhone as well.

VF: Great!

Me: Can I transfer my current number - which I use for my business, so cannot change - to the iPhone and then put a new number on my existing handset.

VF: No.

Me: Why not?

VF: It counts as terminating your contract.

Me: But I don't want to terminate my contract! I just want to move my number to a different phone and put another number on my existing handset.

VF: I see what you are trying to do, but you can't.

Me: Why ever not?

VF: It's just set up that way.

Me: So, even though I am willing to sign a second contract, so that you get more than twice as much revenue from me, you are not prepared to do this for me?

VF: Nope.

Me: Do you have any idea how illogical and foolish this makes you appear?

VF: Is there anything else I can help you with today?

Me: You haven't actually helped me with anything yet!

etc!

Doh!

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#148511 16-Jul-2008 14:31

Ha, I know, it does seem silly, I mean I'm not whining about the iPhone data plans or the fact that I'm not getting a $199 iPhone, I just want the option of using both handsets to their full capability and keeping my current plans, which I'm quite happy with.

I'm not breaking any fixed term contracts, I'm just wanting to buy a second handset. I'm sure I could buy an Nokia N95 or any other data capable phone and do the same, so why not an iPhone.

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#148525 16-Jul-2008 15:26

scottatron: Ha, I know, it does seem silly, I mean I'm not whining about the iPhone data plans or the fact that I'm not getting a $199 iPhone, I just want the option of using both handsets to their full capability and keeping my current plans, which I'm quite happy with.

I'm not breaking any fixed term contracts, I'm just wanting to buy a second handset. I'm sure I could buy an Nokia N95 or any other data capable phone and do the same, so why not an iPhone.

You can easily do what you want to do. Just dont tell VF what you are doing as there official line is you cant change the APN on the iphone.

All you would have to do is buy the iphone outright and change its APN to match the one your SE uses and you can switch between them as much as you want.

To change the APN see the thread on "iphone prepay data hack" has all the info you need to change it

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#148527 16-Jul-2008 15:28

In the UK I had a phone that had two numbers on the same sim.

One was work and one was private. You could set different ring tones, diverts and so on for each and each had separate voicemail.

I guess it would really blow their mind if I asked for that on VF!

I just don't see why I can't move my existing number to an iPhone (or presumably an N95 etc) and put the new number on my existing handset. VF loose nothing in that scenario - apart from maybe a customer eventually...!

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#148543 16-Jul-2008 16:09

The launch of iPhone 3G seems to be similar to what happened across the world with the 1st gen iPhone - about the only way to use it the way that YOU want to is to use unofficial software...

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#148697 16-Jul-2008 23:29

If I have an unlocked phone - iPhone, N82 or whatever - can I simply walk into VF and say I want to go on account on xyz plan and they will give me the sim card and the phone will work? Even if the phone is parallel imported?

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#148806 17-Jul-2008 11:41

Geektastic:
scottatron: So I just spoke to a Vodafone customer service rep about my thoughts on buying an iPhone and this is what transpired:

Me: I currently have a Sony Ericsson phone with a Motormouth voice plan and a 1Gb data plan (about $90 a month). I'm thinking about buying an iPhone outright, but would still like to use my SE on weekends, as it fit's in my pocket nicely, so I thought I'd just swap my SIM between the two. Any reason I can't do this?

VF: No, you can put your current SIM in an iPhone, but you wont be able to use and data on the iPhone.

Me: Huh? So using iPhone data is reliant on the SIM? Can I then simply get a new SIM with my current number & plans which will allow me to use iPhone data?

VF: Yes, but then you couldn't use data on your SE, only voice & text.

Me: Huh? Ok, what about this crazy idea: Can I get two SIMs for my same number, one with iPhone data capability and one with general data capability for my SE, with the ability to only use of the two phones at a time.

VF: No, not possible.

Me: Hmm, ok, worth a shot.

Me: So, you're telling me that as a customer who currently uses 500Mb to 1Gb of data a month, and I'm not even looking for an iPhone subsidy, I'll just buy one outright, you cannot offer me any way to use both handsets to their full capability on the same account?

VF: No.

Can anyone from Vodafone clarify this for me? I just wanna buy an iPhone and use it's full capability on my current plans, but still also use my SE from time to time, also to it's full capability.

I just can't understand why the iPhone is being treated like this weird mysterious creature and not a regular handset. I understand it is different in a lot of ways, but at the end of the day, it's still just a handset, with voice, text and data capabilities. Surely, my scenario should be simple enough?

Scott

Ha - ROFL!

I can SO believe that. I had a similar conversation that went something like this:

Me: Hi, I have a current Vodafone and would like to buy an iPhone as well.

VF: Great!

Me: Can I transfer my current number - which I use for my business, so cannot change - to the iPhone and then put a new number on my existing handset.

VF: No.

Me: Why not?

VF: It counts as terminating your contract.

Me: But I don't want to terminate my contract! I just want to move my number to a different phone and put another number on my existing handset.

VF: I see what you are trying to do, but you can't.

Me: Why ever not?

VF: It's just set up that way.

Me: So, even though I am willing to sign a second contract, so that you get more than twice as much revenue from me, you are not prepared to do this for me?

VF: Nope.

Me: Do you have any idea how illogical and foolish this makes you appear?

VF: Is there anything else I can help you with today?

Me: You haven't actually helped me with anything yet!

etc!

Doh!

Just a note on this. I am on a corporate plan and purchased the iphone outright. Removed the SIM from by Blackberry, put it in the iPhone. Deleted the BB plan off the account - already had a 1GB data plan... Worked fine.

Simon

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#149959 21-Jul-2008 18:02

The plans are pretty good value. Economies of scale, less people in NZ.

The data amounts are ample, I signed up to the $80 iPhone 250 plan which comes with 250mb and I am really surprised at how far the data is goes.

When I have been out and about I have been emailing, playing around with maps and browsing the web, to my shock I've used hardly any data. I am trying to use up my 250mb but am finding it really hard.

Thanks for your value vodafone!

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