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40 posts

Geek

#1396067 28-Sep-2015 20:33

Not too awful here in Miramar/WKM node...

Glynn

46 posts

Geek

#1396073 28-Sep-2015 20:36

sjhs:

Not too awful here in Miramar/WKM node...

There's a 1300ms range one hop away from you... that's atrocious (or maybe you're being sarcastic?).

sjhs

40 posts

Geek

#1396084 28-Sep-2015 20:44

Glynn:
sjhs:

Not too awful here in Miramar/WKM node...

There's a 1300ms range one hop away from you... that's atrocious (or maybe you're being sarcastic?).

I'm guessing that the TCL infrastructure doesn't prioritise responding to ICMP traffic... If I needed that device to respond quickly to ICMP then I'd worry, but as my interest is in connecting outside of the Vodafone/TCL/IHUG/whomever got bought this week's network then I'm ok. As I see it I probably had one ping to google that wasn't responded to, the intermediate steps are only of interest to me to see how the traffic is getting to its final destination.

Glynn

46 posts

Geek

#1396092 28-Sep-2015 20:56

sjhs:

I'm guessing that the TCL infrastructure doesn't prioritise responding to ICMP traffic... If I needed that device to respond quickly to ICMP then I'd worry, but as my interest is in connecting outside of the Vodafone/TCL/IHUG/whomever got bought this week's network then I'm ok. As I see it I probably had one ping to google that wasn't responded to, the intermediate steps are only of interest to me to see how the traffic is getting to its final destination.

I don't understand how having bad internal (to NZ) traffic is not a worry when going internationally? Almost every hop of yours has some packet loss from only 300 packets sent. Can you post a TCP/UDP traceroute then?

sjhs

40 posts

Geek

#1396122 28-Sep-2015 21:28

Glynn:
sjhs:

I'm guessing that the TCL infrastructure doesn't prioritise responding to ICMP traffic... If I needed that device to respond quickly to ICMP then I'd worry, but as my interest is in connecting outside of the Vodafone/TCL/IHUG/whomever got bought this week's network then I'm ok. As I see it I probably had one ping to google that wasn't responded to, the intermediate steps are only of interest to me to see how the traffic is getting to its final destination.

I don't understand how having bad internal (to NZ) traffic is not a worry when going internationally? Almost every hop of yours has some packet loss from only 300 packets sent. Can you post a TCP/UDP traceroute then?

The reason I don't care about dropped packets, or slow responses, from routing nodes within the network is that it's not the job of those devices to respond to me directly... I'm interested in the final destination, which is a device that is meant to respond to me. It's not as if all my packets sit at each node along the way until the time it would have responded if it were an ICMP echo (or any other type of direct connection I might try to throw at it).

I'll run a more thorough test, with TCP, and post it up in a bit. Even then, I'm not going to be too worried about intermediary nodes not getting back to me in a hurry.

r2b2

586 posts

Ultimate Geek

#1396124 28-Sep-2015 21:32

sjhs:
Glynn:
sjhs:

I'm guessing that the TCL infrastructure doesn't prioritise responding to ICMP traffic... If I needed that device to respond quickly to ICMP then I'd worry, but as my interest is in connecting outside of the Vodafone/TCL/IHUG/whomever got bought this week's network then I'm ok. As I see it I probably had one ping to google that wasn't responded to, the intermediate steps are only of interest to me to see how the traffic is getting to its final destination.

I don't understand how having bad internal (to NZ) traffic is not a worry when going internationally? Almost every hop of yours has some packet loss from only 300 packets sent. Can you post a TCP/UDP traceroute then?

The reason I don't care about dropped packets, or slow responses, from routing nodes within the network is that it's not the job of those devices to respond to me directly... I'm interested in the final destination, which is a device that is meant to respond to me. It's not as if all my packets sit at each node along the way until the time it would have responded if it were an ICMP echo (or any other type of direct connection I might try to throw at it).

I'll run a more thorough test, with TCP, and post it up in a bit. Even then, I'm not going to be too worried about intermediary nodes not getting back to me in a hurry.

I've been wondering the same kind of thing recently given some of the behaviours we've seen. Will be very interesting to see how you get on with your testing.

Batwing

675 posts

Ultimate Geek

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#1396185 28-Sep-2015 22:27

No Netflix tonight, been fine for a couple weeks prior but can't watch more than 5 minutes without buffering. Getting 45Mbps to local server.

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Scotty1986

315 posts

Ultimate Geek

#1396202 28-Sep-2015 23:05

My wife was complaining of Netflix issues tonight. Over a wired connection, buffering and resolution was ranging from however low Netflix goes, to max 480p.

sjhs

40 posts

Geek

#1396222 28-Sep-2015 23:56

Before testing... seems like there's congestion, haven't dropped this low in a while...

Standard mtr to 8.8.8.8 - I consider this test a success, 0.1% packet loss (2 packets) to 8.8.8.8 with a standard deviation in results of 6.5ms over ~2000 tests

mtr to 8.8.8.8, specifying tcp for the test - while the tcp test might not look as good, there are some important bits to note... the bad worst results for TCL devices do not mean that they are holding up packets to 8.8.8.8, otherwise the worst 8.8.8.8 wouldn't be 1/7th to 1/8th the time of the worst to internal TCL devices. The standard deviation in results to 8.8.8.8 isn't too bad, giving the impression that 1000ms+ results were not too frequent.

after the test

Not sure if it's that important, but both mtr tests were run at the same time (while I was off playing playstation... but I don't think it tried to download any updates at the time, or do anything else that might have congested things from my end)

And, a real world example (but one that should probably be run again tomorrow night during proper peak times)... a single threaded 1GB download from NYC, and then a traceroute to the server...

As for issues with Netflix, I can't comment (or test) as I don't use it...

ramboky

491 posts

Ultimate Geek

#1396465 29-Sep-2015 11:18

@sjhs I'll run some MTR tests tonight during peak and post for comparison. The differences between my results and yours is stark and the real world experience reflects the poor latency in the trace routes posted here.

Nish

155 posts

Master Geek

#1396471 29-Sep-2015 11:24

Today's list is up!
WKN Upper Hutt
W60 Wainuiomata/Lower Hutt
W18 Berhampore
W03,W88 Burma
W09,W11,W40 Kapiti
WKK,W13,W92,W93 Avalon
W90 Miramar

But still no W40 :(. 1 more day....

Chrizvi

295 posts

Ultimate Geek

#1396489 29-Sep-2015 11:43

Just wanted to post positive feedback at least with Voda. mine was upgraded like 2 weeks ago and it's been awesome since then.
I've been able to watch Netflix in 4K mode within 10 secs (this is US region) even on peak times.

Very happy with the result!

ramboky

491 posts

Ultimate Geek

#1396509 29-Sep-2015 11:51

Chrizvi: Just wanted to post positive feedback at least with Voda. mine was upgraded like 2 weeks ago and it's been awesome since then.
I've been able to watch Netflix in 4K mode within 10 secs (this is US region) even on peak times.

Very happy with the result!

Which unblocking service are you using?

Glynn

46 posts

Geek

#1396510 29-Sep-2015 11:52

My internet has gone down this morning but has been down for over an hour now. Have tried cycling power a few times. Is this normal?

EDIT: Back up now, down for about 1.5 hours.

Chrizvi

295 posts

Ultimate Geek

#1396575 29-Sep-2015 13:13

ramboky:
Chrizvi: Just wanted to post positive feedback at least with Voda. mine was upgraded like 2 weeks ago and it's been awesome since then.
I've been able to watch Netflix in 4K mode within 10 secs (this is US region) even on peak times.

Very happy with the result!

Which unblocking service are you using?

using getflix.

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