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#1456746 24-Dec-2015 19:43

quickymart: A pity really. It was such a good idea when it first launched - faster than (then-) Jetstart too. What happened Woosh? Where did it all go wrong?

They unfortunately backed a technology solution that was essentially 3G using unpaired spectrum - and it was pretty much end of life by the time it was deployed as it never took off.

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#1457594 27-Dec-2015 00:03

Nothing to see here.
This is just Woosh trying to keep their spectrum rights alive by "showing" that they are still using it, so it doesn't get pulled off them.

In related news:
http://www.comcom.govt.nz/the-commission/media-centre/media-releases/2015/spark-seeks-clearance-to-acquire-radio-spectrum/
"The Commerce Commission has received an application from Spark New Zealand Trading Limited (Spark) seeking clearance to acquire the management rights to 70MHz of radio spectrum in the 2300MHz band from Craig Wireless Spectrum Operations Limited (Craig NZ) and Woosh Wireless Holdings Limited (Woosh NZ).

The management rights being acquired by Spark have not been used since being awarded in 2007 and will expire on 31 December 2016 if they are not used to provide a service."

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#1457678 27-Dec-2015 10:35

nzWIP has already sent in an objection to that - the spectrum should go back to RSM in our opinion.

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#1457691 27-Dec-2015 12:31

That 2.3GHz block will be very interesting.. Spark aren't the only people who want it.

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#1457692 27-Dec-2015 12:41

This is all very interesting

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#1457696 27-Dec-2015 13:24

Will 2.3GHz interfere with 2.4GHz Wi-Fi?

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#1457700 27-Dec-2015 13:48

joker97: Will 2.3GHz interfere with 2.4GHz Wi-Fi?

Nope.

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#1457737 27-Dec-2015 15:20

joker97: Will 2.3GHz interfere with 2.4GHz Wi-Fi?

Possibly if your gear is crap and it is colocated with a really powerful 2.3GHz radio.

An analog video transmitter tuned down to the 2.3GHz band will still mess up wifi devices when close.

Wonder how impressed all the people with the wireless reversing cameras will be when they start to have a cell network crapping all over them ;)

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#1457830 27-Dec-2015 18:14

joker97: Will 2.3GHz interfere with 2.4GHz Wi-Fi?

Depends how close you are to the tower.
A typical 100+ watt eirp LTE sector has been known to mess with a small 4 watt eirp wifi ap when colocated on the same building - this is a regular occurrence in the states when a cell company puts 2.3ghz or 2.5ghz antennas on an apartment building.

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#1467008 10-Jan-2016 15:04

Now this could be a viable alternative for (former) Woosh Wireless customers:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/75665182/skinny-mobile-launches-urban-4g-wireless-broadband-service

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#1467013 10-Jan-2016 15:26

Only six weeks late with that news; not bad for Stuff :p

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#1467014 10-Jan-2016 15:29

Oops, I missed that earlier thread

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#1467060 10-Jan-2016 16:09

quickymart: Now this could be a viable alternative for (former) Woosh Wireless customers:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/75665182/skinny-mobile-launches-urban-4g-wireless-broadband-service

It'll be interesting to see what happens because if it means that Skinny and in turn Spark can side step Chorus then I could imagine it being a lot more profitable long term to try and move as many customers over to wireless broadband as long as they have the towers to support the numbers.

For the wireless experts out there, what is the viability of broadband over wireless if Spark utilise more spectrum and maybe offer an antenna on the roof to take advantage of the higher frequencies?

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#1467284 11-Jan-2016 00:12

kawaii:

For the wireless experts out there, what is the viability of broadband over wireless if Spark utilise more spectrum and maybe offer an antenna on the roof to take advantage of the higher frequencies?

Not viable going forward.

I am not aware of the total spectrum holdings spark has, nor the capability of LTE but I would think they would be lucky to have 500mbits of airborne bandwidth in a typical suburb, spread amongst 1000+ households.

Compared to UFB which can fit 100mbits down a single strand of fiber to every house.

Radio is also a finite resource - its running out, with the only way to increase capacity is to find ways to use it more efficiently, or make coverage cells smaller (with fiber backhauls to the new towers) so the transmission capacity of each tower is shared amongst less houses.

However fiber to the home is, in this example, an unlimited resource with 1gbit being able to be delivered to each household, with 10gbit already available but requiring a hardware cost drop which will come in time to bring 10gbits to the mainstream.

So if you were to think about the number of megabits being able to be pumped into a suburb, fiber to the home can deliver more megabits per household than point-to-multipoint cellular radio.
And with netflix etc requiring 2 to 5 megabits per household from 6pm to 10pm all at once for tv watching, fiber is the only one that can deliver going forward. Radio will always lag behind urban density requirements.

-BUT-
Cellular radio can deliver to poorer suburbs where a larger number of subscribers would rather not have a fixed line connection, and would prefer the tradeoff of less data for a cheaper alternative. Still in these suburbs I see fixed line fiber being the preferred choice as its becoming more and more viable to drop the sky subscription in favor of netflix + broadband.

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#1467306 11-Jan-2016 07:44

On that Stuff page I linked to, in the comments Mia Dodson seems like one of those people who know everything about everything...

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