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#1359620 5-Aug-2015 19:13

mattwnz:
Dreal:
mattwnz:
Dairyxox: If I was a freelance technician I'd be rubbing my money-grubbing hands with glee, loving windows 10.

I've been inundated with calls from non-tech savvy friends and family today who have "accidentally" tried to upgrade to windows 10 and encountered issues. (A common one is "I don't have windows live mail anymore", or "my emails are gone" etc). This is probably just the beginning.

IMHO putting a prompt on everyone's taskbar, prompting them to upgrade was a disaster waiting to happen. Some people just don't know what they're getting into. Feeling sorry for anyone without money to throw at their 'mistake'.

Agree. I consider myself pretty tech savy, but I encountered all sorts of annoying issues upgrading from windows 7 to windows 10. Most of the problems others have had, such as after upgrading the local account to a Microsoft account, I could no longer send emails, or save microsoft office documents, due to permission problems. But one I still haven't worked out, is that the Microsoft store doesn't load, so I can't download or update apps. When I try to load it, I just get the blue store loading screen, with the loading circle dots, but nothing happens, it just hangs. I presume it is a permissions thing, but haven't been able to find a solution to date.

I wonder what the difference is between your set up and mine, that I haven't gotten those issues. I have used an outlook account for awhile, but not for my windows login. I've had no issues with permissions, or the store.

Maybe it is where your files are stored, mine are in the default microsoft my documents folder. But others have had the same identical problems as me, and microsoft does have published fixes for them, so they appear to be quite common. I am sure if I setup a new account I will get the store working again, and certainly a reinstall will fix it, but there is probably an easier fix.

Maybe there was something a little unusual about the permissions on your machine originally? Like left over files with lost permissions from another OS or system, or a primary account without administrative rights or something?

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#1359625 5-Aug-2015 19:35

Dreal:

Maybe there was something a little unusual about the permissions on your machine originally? Like left over files with lost permissions from another OS or system, or a primary account without administrative rights or something?

It was a clean windows 7 install with full admin privileges. But there are multiple users, and it isn't the isn't the first admin account that was setup..

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#1359666 5-Aug-2015 20:58

nathan:
macuser: Seem like Windows 10 eats a bit more ram than 8.1

your RAM is there to be used, so why not use it.

A machine gets more and more sluggish the more and more memory that is taken. There is a VISIBLE difference in machine performance when it's at 80 vs when it's at 50%, so that comment is not quite right.

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#1359679 5-Aug-2015 21:20

Right now I am feeling serious rage. I cannot get Windows 10 to stop hijacking my default video player choice. I am not kidding, if I leave the machine alone for a while, when I come back, the defaults I have specifically set are reset and it's using the inbuilt player, which has an ANNOYING lag. I keep going into the default apps and setting it to VLC, but after a while it's back.

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#1359693 5-Aug-2015 21:45

networkn: Right now I am feeling serious rage. I cannot get Windows 10 to stop hijacking my default video player choice. I am not kidding, if I leave the machine alone for a while, when I come back, the defaults I have specifically set are reset and it's using the inbuilt player, which has an ANNOYING lag. I keep going into the default apps and setting it to VLC, but after a while it's back.

Im yet to experience this issue.

When i first upgraded, my default of VLC for MKVs moved to windows 10s video player "Movies and TV shows" this application fails to play my content sadly. (yes i do have a full set of codecs, unless they got uninstalled as part of the upgrade.)

Switching back to VLC for the default resolved that issue though.

I found the image viewer to be rather odd to use, rolled back to using the viewer from 8.1.

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#1359709 5-Aug-2015 22:17

nathan:

but the 32-bit tool can download and create media of either architecture

This is the error I keep getting when I follow your link:

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#1359717 5-Aug-2015 22:22

Never mind. I got it. I was using the wrong tool (64 bit - dóh!).

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#1359720 5-Aug-2015 22:31

hio77:
networkn: Right now I am feeling serious rage. I cannot get Windows 10 to stop hijacking my default video player choice. I am not kidding, if I leave the machine alone for a while, when I come back, the defaults I have specifically set are reset and it's using the inbuilt player, which has an ANNOYING lag. I keep going into the default apps and setting it to VLC, but after a while it's back.

Im yet to experience this issue.

When i first upgraded, my default of VLC for MKVs moved to windows 10s video player "Movies and TV shows" this application fails to play my content sadly. (yes i do have a full set of codecs, unless they got uninstalled as part of the upgrade.)

Switching back to VLC for the default resolved that issue though.

I found the image viewer to be rather odd to use, rolled back to using the viewer from 8.1.

I use MPC-HC after using VLC for years, never looked back.

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#1359753 5-Aug-2015 22:50

im just about ready to wind back to Windows 7 unless they fix the Audio, yeah it works but the VIA hd audio deck doesnt, so i cant get my front audio plugs to work so plugging in the mic is a real pain or the Equalizer or change anything, im not alone and there is no information coming from VIA when it might be fixed. My son wont upgrade now until there is a fix. Annoying.

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#1359755 5-Aug-2015 22:58

networkn:
nathan:
macuser: Seem like Windows 10 eats a bit more ram than 8.1

your RAM is there to be used, so why not use it.

A machine gets more and more sluggish the more and more memory that is taken. There is a VISIBLE difference in machine performance when it's at 80 vs when it's at 50%, so that comment is not quite right.

That's well. RAM is working memory. Like the seven audio seconds we have to store a phone number in our brains. If your using more, your doing more with it. If it's not being used, your doing less with it.

So whether there is more or less used, the only potentially negative effect would be if something big tries to load, and windows needs to dump the memory to disk (write the number down, to remember a new one). So probably yes, using less used ram would be good, unless its managing better (like using more or less, prioritizing programs or OS without logging it up by needing a big disk dump).

In practice Windows 10 seems faster. I guess the test would be to try some heavy multi-tasking. open some seriously laggy programs together, and see if its worse or better than windows 8.1. It could be the greater speed is the OS taking more resources?

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#1359760 5-Aug-2015 23:31

I generally run my computer 24/7 80~90% ram usage (12GB) with a hefty swap file is not common (Yeah, i do need more ram, ive just been slack on ordering a full replacement set..)

includes chrome sitting on 50~70 active tabs which often sits at 4GB physical memory with anywhere upwards of 5~15GB in virtual..

For whatever reason, this is Way down now.

Ontop of that, i find overall, im hitting the 95% heavy lag point far less often.

I find the "System" process, can spike up to 2GB ram usage, with 1.2GB being the "idle rate" im not quite sure Why this varies so much though.

In terms of general responsiveness, I dont have any issues. With 8.1 i had massive issues, especially when searching for things (generally ild use windows + S as a startmenu..) This was predominately caused by the fact that Libraries were directly linked to my media server... Obviously, that is partly a in my usecase, it didnt handle well issue.

Locking and unlocking, all seems alot more responsive, and best of all im yet to cause a single crash.

One slight gripe i do have about the Game DVR functionality is, Alttabing resets the recording (i was testing it with my fleet runs on eve the other night, switching between windowed clients really didnt make it very happy.) It seems to hold the video buffer in ram, or just generally use an excessive amount of memory for no reason.
Also, you cant set a recording directory for it, it uses your Videos folder, While that could be moved, its a pain to not be able to set Just recordings to go to a separate location.

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#1360216 6-Aug-2015 18:14

Okay I installed Win 10 today on my Acer Aspire V3 laptop. I’m still figuring it out but here are some first impressions:

Booting is significantly slower than 8.1. It’s like being back with XP. Overall operation also seems slower, though not as bad.

I installed two languages while customising settings and then removed one. Control Panel now says just one language is installed. But elsewhere, like on the Taskbar, the OS still thinks there are two languages. I cannot get rid of the phantom language since CP only sees the one.

Something isn’t right with the Start Menu. I cannot modify or remove apps. If I right-click on anything, I just get kicked back to the Desktop. I have told the OS that I am on a metered connection, but the start menu apps (like weather, which is stuck on the US), still keep downloading new data. I finally managed to uninstall most of them from the Settings menu, but there are a couple I can’t uninstall or turn off, and Start menu still doesn’t work.

It all seems pretty buggy to me. I would like to roll back to 8.1, but I’m afraid of what 10 might do. I don’t feel a lot of confidence in it at the moment. It’s ok if you want to experiment, but I wouldn’t want to rely on it for anything critical.

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#1360227 6-Aug-2015 18:52

Dreal:
networkn:
nathan:
macuser: Seem like Windows 10 eats a bit more ram than 8.1

your RAM is there to be used, so why not use it.

A machine gets more and more sluggish the more and more memory that is taken. There is a VISIBLE difference in machine performance when it's at 80 vs when it's at 50%, so that comment is not quite right.

That's well. RAM is working memory. Like the seven audio seconds we have to store a phone number in our brains. If your using more, your doing more with it. If it's not being used, your doing less with it.

So whether there is more or less used, the only potentially negative effect would be if something big tries to load, and windows needs to dump the memory to disk (write the number down, to remember a new one). So probably yes, using less used ram would be good, unless its managing better (like using more or less, prioritizing programs or OS without logging it up by needing a big disk dump).

In practice Windows 10 seems faster. I guess the test would be to try some heavy multi-tasking. open some seriously laggy programs together, and see if its worse or better than windows 8.1. It could be the greater speed is the OS taking more resources?

Windows 10 is actually managing the RAM better from what we have seen. We'll be publishing some documentation about it on TechNet shortly.

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#1360233 6-Aug-2015 19:15

nathan: Windows 10 is actually managing the RAM better from what we have seen. We'll be publishing some documentation about it on TechNet shortly.

So far I agree. I'm running 32bit Win10 home on a netbook [N550 2GB RAM] and the memory usage is typically at 80-95% and I can't tell the difference as to when RAM is at its lowest/idle in performance. Memory usage and performance is surprisingly very good !

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#1360251 6-Aug-2015 19:54

3 laptops on the household finally done. Loving it thus far. A good mix between 7 and 8.1 UI. Simple settings. Not bad speed wise. Easily customizable. Most importantly everything in the same place. It was also great to be able to update iTunes without it failing. So far 9.5/10 I reckon.

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