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#2604203 15-Nov-2020 16:13

Updated my Mac mini media computer with no issues (during the upgrade).
Only issue I have encountered has me scratching my head. I use ExpressVPN for uh some media sources, and I run a Plex server, mainly for local use but also my parents access it remotely. However Big Sur has removed Split Tunnelling, so if I have the VPN on, it breaks remote access to my Plex server. Whereas before I was able to exclude Plex, Screens Connect, etc from using the VPN at all.
Hopefully this can be reimplemented in a forthcoming update.

Other than that I like the look of BS and performance seems about the same.

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#2604406 15-Nov-2020 21:51

I downloaded it last night with no issues.

It's quite nice. As @MikeB4 said, the launchpad icon is an acquired taste that I have not acquired and am unlikely to acquire. The last one, a space rocket, made perfect sense for a feature called Launchpad!

Weather is MUCH better - and I can make it work for the right location, something I still cannot get the iPad to do. It's great to see the week ahead etc now. Overall I am reasonably pleased although whilst I do not mind it having shades of iOS I really prefer my desktop environment to be a bit more grown up than iOS looks.

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#2604410 15-Nov-2020 22:04

Given I've never seen the point of launchpad the new icon doesn't really matter ;)

Generally seems nice on my wifes 2020 Macbook Pro, I'll give it a while before I hackintosh it on my desktop machine.

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#2604514 16-Nov-2020 07:52

@Handle9 I can understand that for the vast majority of user the launchpad seems somewhat redundant especially with quick keyboard options to get applications. I find Launchpad useful especially if I am experiencing bad hand mobility issues as it is very mouse friendly. It’s more or less the same as the Gnome desktop launcher that I find useful for the same reasons.

It is certainly not appealing to all and if I didn’t have specific reasons to use it I think I would largely ignore it.

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#2604841 16-Nov-2020 16:29

Updated my 16" MBP with no issues.

Went to use "Network Utility" only to find Apple has killed it.

Bugger !

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#2605621 17-Nov-2020 17:41

Installed it successfully, used it for a day before deciding I hated it so much I was willing to wear the pain of upgrading from 11 to 10.15.

Everything from dialogs chopped in half with text missing, to an entire network filesystem support missing, and egregiously corrupting audio in Teams meetings. Apple refusing to remove the security flaw of Apple processes (and any malware that can hijack them!) being able to bypass network extensions so that Little Snitch etc can't block them was among the last straws.

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#2605629 17-Nov-2020 18:24

Ditto Kyanar,

Installed/tested/tried BS on 2012 Mac Pro and Late 2012 Mini (both no problems w/minor work-arounds, well documented now) - absolutely hated it also... since I've already lots of play things, iPhones whatnot etc there's no requirement my computers emulate the horrid flatness of iOS ?

Might just be me but each version of macOS seems to be less and less business-like than the previous, more akin a child's play thing, aka iOS.

fwiw - current personal macOS faves:

High Sierra (Mac Mini QC Late 2012)

Mojave (Mac Pro 12C Mid 2012)

Catalina (MacBook Pro QC Mid 2012)

Kyanar:

Installed it successfully, used it for a day before deciding I hated it so much I was willing to wear the pain of upgrading from 11 to 10.15.

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#2605639 17-Nov-2020 18:53

Kyanar:

Installed it successfully, used it for a day before deciding I hated it so much I was willing to wear the pain of upgrading from 11 to 10.15.

Everything from dialogs chopped in half with text missing, to an entire network filesystem support missing, and egregiously corrupting audio in Teams meetings. Apple refusing to remove the security flaw of Apple processes (and any malware that can hijack them!) being able to bypass network extensions so that Little Snitch etc can't block them was among the last straws.

I have no problems with network file shares

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#2605641 17-Nov-2020 18:57

harlansmart:

Ditto Kyanar,

Installed/tested/tried BS on 2012 Mac Pro and Late 2012 Mini (both no problems w/minor work-arounds, well documented now) - absolutely hated it also... since I've already lots of play things, iPhones whatnot etc there's no requirement my computers emulate the horrid flatness of iOS ?

Might just be me but each version of macOS seems to be less and less business-like than the previous, more akin a child's play thing, aka iOS.

fwiw - current personal macOS faves:

High Sierra (Mac Mini QC Late 2012)

Mojave (Mac Pro 12C Mid 2012)

Catalina (MacBook Pro QC Mid 2012)

Kyanar:

Installed it successfully, used it for a day before deciding I hated it so much I was willing to wear the pain of upgrading from 11 to 10.15.

Well I like it enough that I will persevere with it, I have installed it on my 16" MBP and today I put it on my work iMac so I can test all of our software on it

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#2605645 17-Nov-2020 19:15

Engadget reports Big Sur update is permanently bricking some 2013/14 MacBook Pro models:

https://www.engadget.com/macos-big-sur-bricks-old-macbook-pro-215433723.html

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#2605654 17-Nov-2020 19:38

It is performing brilliantly on my 27" iMac I am very happy with it.

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#2605656 17-Nov-2020 19:42

Crikey.

FWIW as above, running fine on the 2013, 2014 and 2015 13" MBPs in the household.

I'm not bothered about how it looks really; as long as it works and isn't too cluttered I'm happy. Because I'm not actually much of a geek i'm usually fine to go with default that Apple in their infinite wisdom set for me, and Linnux brings me out in hives...

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#2605943 18-Nov-2020 12:36

So the slow-to-load apps problem uncovered some interesting concerns about how Big Sur "phones home".
I found the following write-up about Bir Sur interesting...

Turns out Apple sends the signing cert of each and every program you run and when you run it.

Lots of people didn’t realize this, because it’s silent and invisible and it fails instantly and gracefully when you’re offline, but when the server got really slow it didn’t hit the fail-fast code path, and everyone’s apps failed to open if they were connected to the internet.

However, here's a rebuttal and explanation of what OCSP is and does.

https://blog.jacopo.io/en/post/apple-ocsp/?

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#2607179 19-Nov-2020 18:00

I feel like I'm getting spherical vision distortion. Rounded corners on everything. The window animations feel more annoying than usual. If there is a GUI to turn window animation off I would use it.

It could be goodbye to Chrome - Safari feels blindingly fast on Big Sur. I like it.

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#2607182 19-Nov-2020 18:18

gzt: I feel like I'm getting spherical vision distortion. Rounded corners on everything. The window animations feel more annoying than usual. If there is a GUI to turn window animation off I would use it.

It could be goodbye to Chrome - Safari feels blindingly fast on Big Sur. I like it.

Does System Preferences > Accessibility > Display > Reduce Motion help?

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