It's time to put cameras on NZ Police

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dafman

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#201502 21-Aug-2016 20:15

Just watched Sunday on a fatal police shooting in Hamilton.

If the non-police witnesses are correct, it was an execution.

If the police are correct, it was a justified shooting.

There was more than one non-police witness, and they appear to be unrelated to each other. On balance, having watched the episode, I think there is reason to believe that the police used unnecessary force to enter the property, without clearly identifying themselves, shooting to death within seconds.

There would be an easy way to assist to determine what happened. It would be simple and inexpensive to put non-intrusive vest-mounted cameras onto armed police heading out to a potentially volatile encounter. It's time it happened.

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#1615287 21-Aug-2016 20:46

Witnesses are notoriously unreliable. I agree with the cameras. I expect it will just be a matter of cost more than anything including the IT infrastructure needed to download and store securely.

Lazy is such an ugly word, I prefer to call it selective participation

Fred99

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#1615362 21-Aug-2016 21:49

Does heavy use of crystal meth cause acne?

Drug laws need to be reformed so that police aren't in the business of needing to be bashing down doors to do drug raids. Summary execution? In that case I doubt it.

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#1615369 21-Aug-2016 22:01

Fred99:

Does heavy use of crystal meth cause acne?

Yes, more scabs than acne. I see what you're implying...

Edit:

"Some of the tell-tale signs of meth abuse include sores, scabs and acne on the face. Meth causes many users to feel a crawling sensation under their skin (called “formication”), causing them to pick obsessively at their faces. Heavy meth usage cuts off the supply of blood to all parts of the body, which destroys blood vessels. The result is acne, sores and scabs that can dramatically alter a meth user’s appearance.

Meth suppresses the immune system, leading to slower healing of acne, meth sores and scabs, and the skin loses its luster and elasticity as a result of decreased blood flow."

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#1615413 22-Aug-2016 07:42

scuwp: ... I expect it will just be a matter of cost more than anything ...

I'd anticipate the bleeding-hearted left-wing liberals playing the 'privacy invasion' card will slow down legislation as well.

Did Eric Clapton really think she looked wonderful...or was it after the 15th outfit she tried on and he just wanted to get to the party and get a drink?

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#1615421 22-Aug-2016 07:57

I back the police they were meth users / dealers and police did what they had to

Fred99

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#1615457 22-Aug-2016 08:41

thecatsgoolies: I back the police they were meth users / dealers and police did what they had to

Which doesn't really address the subject - "time to put cameras on NZ Police". I think it probably is.

I made a nasty assumption above (WRT acne) which could be 100% wrong, but I've seen it before. It can also be brought on by withdrawal / detox. She may be clean.

Crystal meth addiction is a fate worse than death. The whole situation is an abject disaster - to everybody involved. There's plenty of information out there on the background behind this case - which led to what's almost inevitable.

Prohibition isn't working. Time to treat it as a medical issue - and work hard toward elimination of the problem.

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#1615472 22-Aug-2016 09:11

I know more about this certain case than I can let on

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#1615486 22-Aug-2016 09:24

It's been looked into a few times and if I can recall it came down to budget constraints. Police have a pretty small IT budget for what they need to achieve.

I think it would be good to have them. But still doesn't stop people obstructing the recording as we've seen time and time again in the US and even with Corrections here.

Fred99

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#1615515 22-Aug-2016 09:49

profrink:

It's been looked into a few times and if I can recall it came down to budget constraints. Police have a pretty small IT budget for what they need to achieve.

I think it would be good to have them. But still doesn't stop people obstructing the recording as we've seen time and time again in the US and even with Corrections here.

I gather that as the device itself should cost no more than one policeman's standard issue shoe, that the actual cost would be in data retention policy.

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#1615521 22-Aug-2016 09:58

Police in this country will resist the use of body cameras for as long as they can and their objections will be based on the fact that it prevents them flying under the radar. The usual tactic, as we have seen in this discussion, is to attack the person who is most vulnerable and that can frequently be flawed. For the same reason police have resisted random drug testing for so long, they will want to keep camers out.

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#1615526 22-Aug-2016 10:02

They also need a budget to pay publicists to explain why the cameras on several officers might fail at once right before something terrible happens.

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#1615530 22-Aug-2016 10:06

airdale:

Police in this country will resist the use of body cameras for as long as they can and their objections will be based on the fact that it prevents them flying under the radar. The usual tactic, as we have seen in this discussion, is to attack the person who is most vulnerable and that can frequently be flawed. For the same reason police have resisted random drug testing for so long, they will want to keep camers out.

Please provide some evidence to substantiate this allegation.

Did Eric Clapton really think she looked wonderful...or was it after the 15th outfit she tried on and he just wanted to get to the party and get a drink?

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#1615560 22-Aug-2016 10:33

airdale:
Police in this country will resist the use of body cameras for as long as they can and their objections will be based on the fact that it prevents them flying under the radar. The usual tactic, as we have seen in this discussion, is to attack the person who is most vulnerable and that can frequently be flawed. For the same reason police have resisted random drug testing for so long, they will want to keep camers out.

Total rubbish / dribble

Sam91

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#1615636 22-Aug-2016 11:42

Even if they were meth dealers, that only justifies the raid, not the shooting. That's not to say the shooting wasn't justified. I guess that will be determined by the IPCA.

I agree the use of cameras is a good idea. Even with camera footage, sometimes it's still debatable whether the person should've been shot. Have a look at this case, I'm sure we'll all view it differently. Warning - the footage is fairly graphic.

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#1615672 22-Aug-2016 11:52

Yes cameras on police are good idea. They won't be a panacea, but they will help provide important info in a lot of situations, and some people are less likely to be aggressive toward officers if they know they are on cameras.

Witnesses in many place the police have to go into frequently are anti-cops and that has to be taken into account when weighing their testimony.

Mike

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