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#2623953 18-Dec-2020 15:25

This is going to be controversial, but I'm not sure what the value is in knowing his name? What difference does it make?

Joe Public knowing the name of a man who will spend his life in prison is not going to bring Grace back, or make his crimes any less disgusting, or really change anything at all IMO.

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#2623954 18-Dec-2020 15:30

My take on it: everyone knows her name and how she died, why should he get anonymity?

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#2623956 18-Dec-2020 15:33

quickymart:

My take on it: everyone knows her name and how she died, why should he get anonymity?

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#2623990 18-Dec-2020 17:11

antonknee:
This is going to be controversial, but I'm not sure what the value is in knowing his name? What difference does it make?

Joe Public knowing the name of a man who will spend his life in prison is not going to bring Grace back, or make his crimes any less disgusting, or really change anything at all IMO.

I'm leaning towards leaving name suppression for people convicted for very long sentences so that they disappear from consciousness.....

Currently killer x y z get his name mentioned for long-time, and becomes more famous the the victims.

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#2623991 18-Dec-2020 17:11

quickymart:
My take on it: everyone knows her name and how she died, why should he get anonymity?

So that we can forget his name or even his existence

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#2624038 18-Dec-2020 18:07

It is not like he is going away for life.

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#2624088 18-Dec-2020 19:48

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quickymart:

My take on it: everyone knows her name and how she died, why should he get anonymity?

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#2624102 18-Dec-2020 20:36

quickymart:

My take on it: everyone knows her name and how she died, why should he get anonymity?

Because, quite simply, it's not about his privacy, it's about his family and friends who almost certainly will be the recipient of targeted abuse etc. What public good does it serve to know the name of the accused/convicted? What purpose could knowing, serve you ?

In an ideal world, a victim should also get theirs, but there is a list of reasons, many of which have nothing to do with the press or justice system that means it often never happens. I will note however, that in the event of a murder, it often helps the police collect the evidence to find the killer.

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#2624116 18-Dec-2020 21:14

For sure, but the first thing that comes to mind when I hear that is maybe he should have thought about that sort of thing (his family, her family, repercussions, etc) before he did what he did. I would also argue that no one pointed a gun at his head and made him do what he did to her - he did it of his own free will.

I dunno, maybe my thinking/logic on this is wrong.

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#2624117 18-Dec-2020 21:22

quickymart:

I dunno, maybe my thinking/logic on this is wrong.

I'd equate it to kids who go hungry because of the parents bad choices, you still feed them, regardless of the cost, because, you can't make a kid responsible for the parents actions. It may not be 100% "fair" but it's not about that.

The relatives probably paid no part in, had no knowledge of the crimes. Someone who does this probably isn't thinking clearly and isn't thinking through the consequences to anyone but themselves, and even then, barely that, as murdering someone gets you put behind bars for a long time.

Naming him won't serve additional justice, won't bring her back and won't shorten his sentence. It won't ease the families pain.

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#2624163 19-Dec-2020 03:34

The British based justice systems all work on the basis of open justice. It's one of the fundimental principles dating back to before the Magna Carta. Nothing that happens in a court should be secret unless there is an irrefutable reason for it to be secret.

It keeps the courts from behaving badly, it stops the rumours that inevitably happen when there is name supression and it stops the powerful and rich from abusing the court system more than they already do.

This Pollyanna like concern for the victims all sounds very nice but it's fairly ludicrous when the perpetrators identity can be found in 2-3 minutes on the internet. The legal system isn't built around victims and really shouldn't be - it's meant to be a neutral and impartial place where truth is determined and a proportionate penalty is given to the guilty.

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#2624165 19-Dec-2020 05:51

Our justice system sucks all to often now name suppression is granted on a whim or so it seems and IMO is abused all the time for what it is supposed to be used for.

If you have the $$ or are a celeb you can rest assure you will probably get it.

This guy has been named all over the place just remove suppression and get on with it.

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#2624173 19-Dec-2020 07:19

JaseNZ: Our justice system sucks all to often now name suppression is granted on a whim or so it seems and IMO is abused all the time for what it is supposed to be used for.

Tend to agree. On the plus side - if this one is lifted it may raise the bar a little for future suppression applications.