Give way rule change - the results

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#635958 5-Jun-2012 11:53

I had one incident in total on my motorcycle, in Churton park also.

Waiting near the give way sign up Westchester drive, bus pulls in, then waves me onward in an angry fashion....even though it was his right of way.

Apart from that, nothing else, has been smooth sailing

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#635967 5-Jun-2012 12:05

scuwp: Looks like there may be a give way sign before entering onto Omapere St from the slip lane? If so then that car must give way...

There isn't, but I wish there was to avoid doubt.

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#635971 5-Jun-2012 12:16

scuwp:
Oblivian: I've seen the number of redlight runners turning right raise tenfold.

Mainly multi lane roads where there is no right turn signal to let them go any other time, of course all the lefties bust a nut to try and race around on green/yellow/red leaving the right handers stranded in the middle and no option but to run the red infront of straight-ahead traffic trying to take off.

It's only illegal to 'enter' an intersection on a red light. If you are already in the intersection when the light turns red you are legally able to continue making your turn.

Depends on your interpretation. If you read it thoroughly it seems to indicate By rights noone should creep forward into an intersection to make a turn unless its clear. Can't find it onhand but it does mention unless you have clear view/room to move to not enter any intersection.

It just appears its become 'the norm' just like going faster on yellows, when you should be stopping to let those who are stuck around.

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#635991 5-Jun-2012 12:39

I have seen a bit where the green left turn arrows are no longer needed and instead they are really needed for right turning traffic. That seems to have been the major consequence, in that the right turning traffic have to wait, stuck in the middle of the road now. And that compounds itself if there are drivers wanting to turn right from the base of a T intersection as mentioned above. They're basically stuck for quite a while now in some cases.

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#636002 5-Jun-2012 12:45

I have had one incident (it was the Tuesday / Wednesday after the switch) where I was turning left and the car turning right failed to give way. Bloody close to a full on accident as he was gunning it (Chubb Security Petone HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME!) but other than that it has been sweet since.

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#636003 5-Jun-2012 12:48

Despite the news media's doom and gloom predictions there were no problems. I haven't experienced any my self on my trips to and from work here in Auckland..

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#636005 5-Jun-2012 12:54

floydbloke: One part of the new rules hasn?t been made very clear in my opinion.

In the image above, there are some traffic islands at the Postgate Drive / Omapere St intersection. It is my understanding that a vehicle coming from the south, turning left from Postgate drive into Omapere St. has to give to a car coming from the north turning right into Omapere St, because they are ?merging? with the traffic already on Omapere St.

What do others think is right?

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#636011 5-Jun-2012 13:04

Oblivian:
scuwp:
Oblivian: I've seen the number of redlight runners turning right raise tenfold.

Mainly multi lane roads where there is no right turn signal to let them go any other time, of course all the lefties bust a nut to try and race around on green/yellow/red leaving the right handers stranded in the middle and no option but to run the red infront of straight-ahead traffic trying to take off.

It's only illegal to 'enter' an intersection on a red light. If you are already in the intersection when the light turns red you are legally able to continue making your turn.

Depends on your interpretation. If you read it thoroughly it seems to indicate By rights noone should creep forward into an intersection to make a turn unless its clear. Can't find it onhand but it does mention unless you have clear view/room to move to not enter any intersection.

It just appears its become 'the norm' just like going faster on yellows, when you should be stopping to let those who are stuck around.

Doesn't the intersection blocking rule state you can't enter an intersection unless you are able to exit on the other side? If you don't have the right of way then you can't exit the intersection so I wouldn't think you should enter it at all.

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#636028 5-Jun-2012 13:23

I had an entertaining morning last week at an intersection in Newmarket.

Four cars, two going each way. None of them knew who was supposed to give way to who, so they were all stopped in the middle of the intersection, lights go red, confused looks all round.

Great fun to watch.

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#636048 5-Jun-2012 13:54

bazzer:
Oblivian:
scuwp:
Oblivian: I've seen the number of redlight runners turning right raise tenfold.

Mainly multi lane roads where there is no right turn signal to let them go any other time, of course all the lefties bust a nut to try and race around on green/yellow/red leaving the right handers stranded in the middle and no option but to run the red infront of straight-ahead traffic trying to take off.

It's only illegal to 'enter' an intersection on a red light. If you are already in the intersection when the light turns red you are legally able to continue making your turn.

Depends on your interpretation. If you read it thoroughly it seems to indicate By rights noone should creep forward into an intersection to make a turn unless its clear. Can't find it onhand but it does mention unless you have clear view/room to move to not enter any intersection.

It just appears its become 'the norm' just like going faster on yellows, when you should be stopping to let those who are stuck around.

Doesn't the intersection blocking rule state you can't enter an intersection unless you are able to exit on the other side? If you don't have the right of way then you can't exit the intersection so I wouldn't think you should enter it at all.

I think that only applies to box juntions (where the floor is covered by a yellow box with lines through it.

On box junctions you may not enter the box unless your exit is clear. Other junctions you may enter even if your exit is not clear (but you probably shouldn't if it will put you in danger)

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#636076 5-Jun-2012 14:09

NonprayingMantis: I think that only applies to box juntions (where the floor is covered by a yellow box with lines through it.

On box junctions you may not enter the box unless your exit is clear. Other junctions you may enter even if your exit is not clear (but you probably shouldn't if it will put you in danger)

Pretty sure it applies to all intersections, but that doesn't mean it's applied to all intersections! Your reply is proof of this, and I guess you are not alone judging by what I see on my trip to/from work.

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#636106 5-Jun-2012 14:31

bazzer: Doesn't the intersection blocking rule state you can't enter an intersection unless you are able to exit on the other side? If you don't have the right of way then you can't exit the intersection so I wouldn't think you should enter it at all.

It says you can't enter an intersection if your exit is blocked by stationary traffic. If you are waiting to make a right turn just because of the stream of oncoming cars they are not stationary, therefore you are legally entitled to move into the intersection and assume an appropriate safe position from which to make the right turn, if the light turns red before you manage to make your turn, then you can proceed without breaking any traffic light laws.

I admit it's a bit hit and miss though, and personally I often don't feel safe doing it depending on the intersection, just saying it is a way of at least letting one right turning car through an intersection which each traffic light phase.

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#636114 5-Jun-2012 14:38

Trolling the legislation I found a mention, this one isn't quite the one I was after but it is a given.. although many still ignore it

Approaching and entering intersections
(1) A driver must not increase speed when approaching an intersection if any other vehicle is approaching or crossing.
(2) Despite anything in Part 3, a driver approaching an intersection or an area controlled by traffic signals must not enter the intersection or controlled area if the driver's intended passage or exit is blocked by stationary traffic.

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#636177 5-Jun-2012 16:36

One I've seen is: car A turning right at the same time as car B turning left in order to tail car B into a side street before car C travels straight through, from a bit further behind car B.
The danger in this situation is car A getting spooked and stopping because they think car B is thinking the old rule still applies. Car B then has to stop, blocking the path of car C and possibly causing an accident. In reality though car B just shoots it in front of car B taking advantage of their hesitation but assuming the moral low ground.

Regarding awareness, failing an ongoing campaign, I at least hope there is advertising of the rule changes for incoming international passengers.
(I was away in 2006 and missed the announcement of 'speed camera area' signs being taken down, and got snapped, with much indignation, in the days following my return. I think that might have been the year I was robbed of a dollar or two(!) by the coin switch too).

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#636259 5-Jun-2012 19:22

Im pissed off at all the stupid queues in the middle of the road this new rule has created. Ive noticed it really impedes traffic in general

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