Feeling like a conspirator... Good conspiracy films? (doco preferably)

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#833482 10-Jun-2013 12:13

TheUngeek:
BurningBeard: Zeitgeist has been thoroughly debunked.

All the whacko ones have been. Doesn't stop the whackos though. Maybe someone is putting smackos in the water....
There's a conspiracy for you

No, they are taking the fluoride out of the water now...

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#833486 10-Jun-2013 12:30

For a movie, I like mad Mel in Conspiracy Theory or Big Bad Russell in State of play, or more recent Jack Reacher wasn't aweful.

Not sure on any doco's.

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#833487 10-Jun-2013 12:41

freitasm:
TheUngeek:
BurningBeard: Zeitgeist has been thoroughly debunked.

All the whacko ones have been. Doesn't stop the whackos though. Maybe someone is putting smackos in the water....
There's a conspiracy for you

No, they are taking the fluoride out of the water now...

The antifluoride activists are a quality bunch of wackos alright. Lies, misinformation and nonsense.

At least children won't die like the antivax idiots would have.

Anyway, I suggest watching some stuff debunking the tinfoil hat conspiracy theories, you'll get much more out of it in the long run :)

This guy's "Five stupid things" series has had me amused most of the morning :

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#833505 10-Jun-2013 13:13

This Film Is Not Yet Rated

"a provocative documentary investigates the secretive and inconsistent process by which the Motion Picture Association of America rates films, revealing the organization's underhanded efforts to control culture. Dick questions whether certain studios get preferential treatment and exposes the discrepancies in how the MPAA views sex and violence"

Scary if it's true

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#833602 10-Jun-2013 15:26

Why does anyone that has a differing opinion seem to be labeled a wacko? The fluoride debate, while a lot of people disagree with removing it from the water supply, the argument to have it removed is quite compelling if you ask me.

Here is a good talk on fluoride if anyone is interested in watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlBP4WjOIyg

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#833606 10-Jun-2013 15:36

That's not how it is.
It's believing in something that is quite obviously fantasy that gets you labelled as a whacko

there was an independent poll of Hamilton residents done about the fluoride, the vast majority did NOT want it moved. I think that council is in serious trouble.
Flouride in water is proven to be a benefit. All the evidence against it I have bothered to read (always to my regret) quotes outrageous doasges
I have a mate who insists toothpaste is poisonous and refuses to let her kids use it.
She insists via info given to her by one of the anti fluoride whackos that a kid can die from eating the toothpaste.
I did some maths and worked out a child would need to eat something like 50 tubes of adult toothpaste in one sitting to get a lethal dose.

It's also well proven that areas that have high fluoride naturally occurring in water have much lower dental health issues.

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#833608 10-Jun-2013 15:41

TheUngeek: That's not how it is.
It's believing in something that is quite obviously fantasy that gets you labelled as a whacko

there was an independent poll of Hamilton residents done about the fluoride, the vast majority did NOT want it moved. I think that council is in serious trouble.
Flouride in water is proven to be a benefit. All the evidence against it I have bothered to read (always to my regret) quotes outrageous doasges
I have a mate who insists toothpaste is poisonous and refuses to let her kids use it.
She insists via info given to her by one of the anti fluoride whackos that a kid can die from eating the toothpaste.
I did some maths and worked out a child would need to eat something like 50 tubes of adult toothpaste in one sitting to get a lethal dose.

It's also well proven that areas that have high fluoride naturally occurring in water have much lower dental health issues.

This

There are sound arguments against it but they are philosophical ones against "mass medication". The science is not on their side and they end up acting like "wackos" when they repeatedly flog lies and poor science and shout down anyone who says otherwise. Anyway I don't want to take this off topic more than I already have :)

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#833611 10-Jun-2013 15:49

DravidDavid: Why does anyone that has a differing opinion seem to be labeled a wacko? The fluoride debate, while a lot of people disagree with removing it from the water supply, the argument to have it removed is quite compelling if you ask me.

Here is a good talk on fluoride if anyone is interested in watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlBP4WjOIyg

It's not about having a different opinion, it's about insisting that provable falsities are true. High levels (>4ppm) of flouride has been shown to have health implications, however the levels that are put into water supplies are more like 0.5-1ppm. At those levels it is very safe and has dental health benefits for the community.

Councils have a responsibility to make decisions based on the common good not the protestations of a few misinformed.

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#833627 10-Jun-2013 16:14

They are wackos when they use the wrong arguments and false ideas.

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#833668 10-Jun-2013 16:56

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crackrdbycracku: I would suggest reading the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion or put it into a YouTube search.

That's not even conspiracy, that's outright racist propaganda.

As for movies, try Enemy of the State.

Indeed. The kind of racist propaganda that was used to justify the extermination of 6m + Jews, Roma and anyone else tagged as the "other". It would have been a fringe publication were it not for Henry Ford, Oswald Mosley and Adolf Hitler picking it up and running with it. And right now, we're seeing a bastard child of it in the form of people like Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer and Anders Breivik.

For more films like Inside Job, there's also "Four Horsemen" and "Shadows of Liberty".

"I regret to say that we of the F.B.I. are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate commerce." — J. Edgar Hoover

"Create a society that values material things above all else. Strip it of industry. Raise taxes for the poor and reduce them for the rich and for corporations. Prop up failed financial institutions with public money. Ask for more tax, while vastly reducing public services. Put adverts everywhere, regardless of people's ability to afford the things they advertise. Allow the cost of food and housing to eclipse people's ability to pay for them. Light blue touch paper." — Andrew Maxwell

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#833740 10-Jun-2013 20:04

Fiction: Person of Interest:

"A veteran of the war in Iraq, and self-proclaimed American Patriot, becomes convinced that the federal government is setting him up as the fall guy in a soon-to-be terrorist attack on American soil".

Definitely one of the better films on Vodo. A little bit of action and arty paranoid what the hell is going on flashbacks you have to make some kind of sense of.

All films on Vodo are licensed for free distribution.

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#833745 10-Jun-2013 20:09

If you have time- very interesting-you decide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaDOkMEK4uk

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#833749 10-Jun-2013 20:42

And in case anyone got confused by my last post, this article from the Financial Times clarifies a few things. It wasn't all that long ago that there were wild conspiracy theories of Zionists and Marxists in an unholy alliance bent on world domination. These days the unholy alliance conspiracy theories are more about Jihadists and Marxists.

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#833750 10-Jun-2013 20:45

On the fictional TV front, "Utopia" is quite good. From UK's Channel4, 6 parts.

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#833787 10-Jun-2013 21:36

another one of interest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ljxxg90RxU

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