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#1365784 13-Aug-2015 18:09

I used to watch tv3 a lot, including campbell live. But these days I don't think I have watched a tv3 program for weeks. They don't seem to have anything I want to watch these days that isn't rubbish reality, or dumbed down news/tabloid stuff. Not that TVNZ are really any better though. The problem in NZ is that there isn't any real indepth journalism or documentaries these days. There is a bit on Saturday or Sunday mornings, which are paid for by the platinum fund, because they don't get enough viewers. But no wonder the average kiwi is so unknowledgable about things.

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#1365816 13-Aug-2015 18:31

mattwnz: The problem in NZ is that there isn't any real indepth journalism or documentaries these days. There is a bit on Saturday or Sunday mornings, which are paid for by the platinum fund, because they don't get enough viewers. But no wonder the average kiwi is so unknowledgable about things.

This is actually a very good point. The Nation, which is publicly funded, is pretty in depth. There has also been the occasional NZ On Air funded documentary on Prime.

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#1365841 13-Aug-2015 19:13

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mattwnz: The problem in NZ is that there isn't any real indepth journalism or documentaries these days. There is a bit on Saturday or Sunday mornings, which are paid for by the platinum fund, because they don't get enough viewers. But no wonder the average kiwi is so unknowledgable about things.

This is actually a very good point. The Nation, which is publicly funded, is pretty in depth. There has also been the occasional NZ On Air funded documentary on Prime.

It is still a little bit light for my tastes. There is also Q&A on one, but that seems to be more about politics. But they aren't programs people would know about unless you seeked them out. I remember the old 1 hour documentaries, which aren't around anymore. You do get the odd one, but they tend to be privately done.

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#1365843 13-Aug-2015 19:16

mattwnz: It is still a little bit light for my tastes. There is also Q&A on one, but that seems to be more about politics. But they aren't programs people would know about unless you seeked them out. I remember the old 1 hour documentaries, which aren't around anymore. You do get the odd one, but they tend to be privately done.

Unfortunately free to air television is a dying business model. Everyone here is always moaning about the quality of programming and also moaning about the ads which people now go out of their way to skip. You can't have it both ways.

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#1365850 13-Aug-2015 19:39

Al Jazeera isn't bad.

As for NZ TV News coverage - basically there isn't any.

An hour of shouty advertisements, occationally interrupted by advertorials and cat stories presented by a bland plastic duo with impossibly white teeth and carefully scripted one-liners. Bah!

Haven't watched a single episode of the 6pm faux-news, on either state telly or TVNZ, for well over three months now. Radio NZ, Al Jazeera, and online sources are where I go for news now.

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#1365869 13-Aug-2015 20:09

JimmyH: Al Jazeera isn't bad.

As for NZ TV News coverage - basically there isn't any.

An hour of shouty advertisements, occationally interrupted by advertorials and cat stories presented by a bland plastic duo with impossibly white teeth and carefully scripted one-liners. Bah!

Haven't watched a single episode of the 6pm faux-news, on either state telly or TVNZ, for well over three months now. Radio NZ, Al Jazeera, and online sources are where I go for news now.

Agreed, I find Al Jazeera very good too. When we had Sky we used to watch BBC mostly for international news, with the odd bit of CNN. But after Sky included Al Jazeera, we started watching it and have never returned to either of the others for international news. Still watch a lot of BBC Docos, Click and a few others from time to time. Also a bit of DW-TV.

But we are not missing Sky one bit, and haven't watched 6pm news for several years now as it's mostly full of fluff.

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#1365954 13-Aug-2015 22:48

If I am honest I have to say that I barely notice what channel I am watching.

I watch programs, not channels. Sad as it may be for the channel management, they are not the slightest bit relevant to the process: only content worth watching will gain my time (and that means no NZ made news or current affairs programs at all on TV because they are all an amateurish waste of time and electrons) and at least 80% of my viewing is Nat Geo, History, Animal Planet, Discovery, UKTV and SOHO.

TV news on the rare occasions I want it I get from BBC World but I read most of my news online or hear it on RNZ National. If TV One, Prime etc all ceased all news programming forthwith I would take weeks to notice unless it was mentioned elsewhere.

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#1366072 14-Aug-2015 08:57

This post coincides with me noticing over the past few weeks that TV1 news is now (may have been for some time and I haven't noticed) doing promos for upcoming shows masked as thinly veiled news items. Now that I've noticed it its really starting to pss me off.

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#1366088 14-Aug-2015 09:23

mattwnz: It is still a little bit light for my tastes. There is also Q&A on one, but that seems to be more about politics. But they aren't programs people would know about unless you seeked them out. I remember the old 1 hour documentaries, which aren't around anymore. You do get the odd one, but they tend to be privately done.

I bet there are very few NZ documentaries that are fully privately funded and are broadcast on free-to-air TV in NZ; the only category that would be like this are those that are made by or designed to be sold to overseas markets, eg nature-ish ones made by the old Natural History unit in Dunedin (previously owned by Fox, now owned by an ex-Fox exec).

Generally, for NZ documentaries to be made they'll need NZ on Air funding, and that comes with requirements to already have an agreement with a channel to screen it (and I think even what time it'll screen). So, yes, the company making it may be privately owned, but (most if not all of) the funding will be the tax-payers'. [Indeed, TVNZ is increasingly farming out the production of what were previously some of its core in-house programmes.]

There's also been a growing willingness by NZ on Air to fund series not just screening on the three main channels, eg there's a doco series on Prime at the moment (I had heard very positive things about the one on Dragon [the band] that was on earlier this week). And I heard an interview with the programmer from Choice TV about a series (not a doco, if I remember correctly) they'll be screening.

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#1366118 14-Aug-2015 10:02

xontech: This post coincides with me noticing over the past few weeks that TV1 news is now (may have been for some time and I haven't noticed) doing promos for upcoming shows masked as thinly veiled news items. Now that I've noticed it its really starting to pss me off.

They have been doing that for a long time especially on Sunday when it's followed by that current affairs programme (can't remember the name it's so forgettable).

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#1366119 14-Aug-2015 10:04

xontech: This post coincides with me noticing over the past few weeks that TV1 news is now (may have been for some time and I haven't noticed) doing promos for upcoming shows masked as thinly veiled news items. Now that I've noticed it its really starting to pss me off.

This has annoyed me for quite some time.

They always do it on Sunday, for a story about to be shown on Sunday. Haven't noticed it too often on other days.

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#1366133 14-Aug-2015 10:30

My problem with TV1 News is I find the presenters incredibly patronising. Peter Williams is as stiff as they get and whilst Wendy Petrie can read a bulletin fine, having seen her try and ad-lib the breaking Chch earthquake disaster coverage, I just can't take her seriously. I need to feel some sort of journalistic integrity from my news readers\presenters, not just people who can read an auto-cue with aplomb.

All news channels everywhere seem to love the "Can you tell us how you're feeling?" angle when a loved one has just been taken from someone, all their worldly contents destroyed, or any imaginable combination of suffering. It's a very slippery slope to tabloid-ism to capture the younger market that's been going on for a while now. That's especially the case with the likes of Stuff these days. I find it abhorrent.

I don't give a rats whose set looks more polished or who wins the best voice award, it's the content, plain and simple, yet completely forgotten. I want it told straight, un-opinionated, and without judgement. It should leave me to make up my own mind after hearing the facts, not telling me what to think.

Who am I kidding... did we ever have that in the news??

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#1366222 14-Aug-2015 11:22

alasta:

Unfortunately free to air television is a dying business model. Everyone here is always moaning about the quality of programming and also moaning about the ads which people now go out of their way to skip. You can't have it both ways.

Yes you can. It's called public service broadcasting. The BBC and ABC (Oz) are good examples. We almost had it with TVNZ 7 until our idiot Minister of Broadcasting Craig Foss killed it because it would have cost Five Whole Million Dollars to keep going. How much have the taxpayers given to that Saudi whinger again? How about the black hole that is Solid Energy? So much for National being fiscally prudent.

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#1366228 14-Aug-2015 11:34

grant_k:

But we are not missing Sky one bit, and haven't watched 6pm news for several years now as it's mostly full of fluff.

No-one needs Sky for news. Even without streaming we have Al-Jazeera on UHF and Euronews, Russia Today, France news in English, even Iranian and Korean news all on satellite, though the last is pretty fluffy. And CNN and BBC and everything else in the world can be streamed. No lack of options there.

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#1366251 14-Aug-2015 11:59

Incredibly a lot of people in the UK complain about the licence fee for the BBC which costs them around $5 a week even though they are prepared to shell out much more for the drivel on Sky. They believe it should be self funding

I'd like them to see what you get when it doesn't cost you anything. They might change their minds.

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