The police would really, really like their guns back, pretty please

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#2226346 27-Apr-2019 14:44

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Geektastic: Ironic that they are generally not stolen from private users, but the oh-so-much-holier-than-thou police cannot manage to keep them safe.'

If that happened to a private user, they would promptly lose their licence, I wonder what will happen to the police....

Crap loads of them are stolen from private users on a regular basis. That's how most guns find their way onto the black market.

Not so much with E and B because we are required to have fairly significant safes. I think my safe weighed 180kg empty when it was delivered and it's bolted to a concrete floor.

If my guns were stolen from a carpark, my licence would vanish so fast you wouldn't see it for dust....

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#2226349 27-Apr-2019 14:51

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Or did he gain entry and exit via the back vehicle entry ❓❓❓

I noticed on the news1 item that the reporter was standing outside the drive through gate which opened and closed during the report. Now I know they open on entry from the vehicle but do they open from the vehicle on exit or is it just an eye beam on exit. ❓

The original coverage said he was seen putting them in a van in the police compound / car park at the back of the police station.

From this we can surmise that

The vehicle gate was unlocked (maybe operated by an eye beam?) for entry from the street and/or was susceptible to tail-gating,
The entry from the compound to the "working" part of Palmerston North police station was unlocked and/or susceptible to tail-gating,
The "exhibits cage" - which should be amongst the most secure areas in any Police station - was unlocked and unattended,
The vehicle gate was probably operated by an eye beam for exit the street - this is not unreasonable, since only the "good guys" should be leaving this way, and
The CCTV (assuming there is some) was unattended and not being monitored

All in all, an almost criminal level of negligence.

I hope the Independent Police Conduct Authority opens an investigation on Monday.
Somebody should, at the very least, be taking "early retirement" for this

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#2226350 27-Apr-2019 14:56

Would a member of the public if they had their firearm stolen from an unlocked safe face any thing other than possibly loosing their licence. ??

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#2226407 27-Apr-2019 15:50

shk292:

So, how much faith do we have in the cops being able to protect the inevitable firearms register when it is introduced? Might as well put a sign up on my house saying "firearms inside - please don't burgle them, nice gang members"

This is what gets me and I can not understand.

My oldest nephew lived in Canada for 5 years and he said that they tried to bring in an owners firearm register but it cost them millions and they gave up plus apparently so has NZ in some dim distant past.

My answer was how ridiculous. It is a simple DATA BASE - FFS.

You then make it the responsibility of both parties when they are selling and buying. Just like when selling & buying a vehicle. Except in this case I believe both parties should front up with the firearm to the police station and do all the paper work there. But even if they just make it an on-line form you should still have to fill in the both owners license no's with the data base background checking during the process so you can not proceed without correct names, addresses and licences plus a fee of course.

FFS I'll knock up an Exel or Numbers data base for them and they can do the server side. Any decent program company worth their salt could do it in a day. But NO we will have to form a; review committee, a budget committee, a feasibility committee, put it out to tender, a tender review committee, an implementation committee. by now we are getting close to a million bucks and we are not even talking about new equipment, servers, computers and do not forget about the huge colourful forms in quadruplicate and then the employment of people to do data entry as the police are already stretched for staff.

Oh dear it is all so tiresome and expensive lets put it on the back burner for the next budget !!!!

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2226408 27-Apr-2019 15:53

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Journeyman:

I guess the guy was planning on selling the gnus back as part of the buy-back 😆

That's a wild beast of a story.

Yeah, just imagine the local gnu farmer taking his beasts down to the local police station for the buy-back, only to be told there was a typo on the flyer!

Rikkitic:

They found the guy. Still looking for the guns. Gee, I wonder where they could be? Not the police station, that's for sure.

I think the police will have to draw straws to see who gets the job of knocking on the door of the local gang pad to ask "Err excuse me, can we have our guns back? Please?"

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#2226449 27-Apr-2019 16:51

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FFS I'll knock up an Exel or Numbers data base for them and they can do the server side. Any decent program company worth their salt could do it in a day. But NO we will have to form a; review committee, a budget committee, a feasibility committee, put it out to tender, a tender review committee, an implementation committee. by now we are getting close to a million bucks and we are not even talking about new equipment, servers, computers and do not forget about the huge colourful forms in quadruplicate and then the employment of people to do data entry as the police are already stretched for staff.

Oh dear it is all so tiresome and expensive lets put it on the back burner for the next budget !!!!

Don't forget it will in the end be tendered out to some overseas company at twice the price of a nz company then have to pay double again after 12 months because their first attempt was a complete screw up.

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#2226450 27-Apr-2019 16:56

Are you serious.

David Seymour said people were telling him the surrender scheme was causing "chaos", but it was not the fault of frontline police.

Instead, it was the Government's fault for rushing the legislation through without properly checking police's ability to take hundreds of thousands of guns, he said.

"So far, they have struggled to store 11.

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#2226453 27-Apr-2019 17:07

JaseNZ:
Would a member of the public if they had their firearm stolen from an unlocked safe face any thing other than possibly loosing their licence. ??

Potentially they could be charged under the Arms Act for failing to take proper steps I think.

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#2226456 27-Apr-2019 17:26

I would like to see a little less glee about this. I enjoy seeing the police and other arms of officialdom being caught out as much as the next person, and it does seem like there has been some major incompetence here, and it may well be so that there is no way the police can cope with the scale of the buy-back at this time, and it may well be that heads should roll all over the place, but this is about a serious issue and I don't think it is terribly funny as a joke. If the police are not in a state to do this job, then we need to be thinking about ways of helping them get to a point where they can, not just pointing fingers and laughing at them. Someone stuffed up badly. Time to learn from that and move on to ensure it doesn't happen again. No one got hurt on episodes of the Keystone Kops. This is not the same.

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#2226459 27-Apr-2019 17:36

This mornings Herald article called it a burglary, he was already inside so I would it "shop lifting".

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2226470 27-Apr-2019 18:02

Rikkitic:

I would like to see a little less glee about this. I enjoy seeing the police and other arms of officialdom being caught out as much as the next person, and it does seem like there has been some major incompetence here, and it may well be so that there is no way the police can cope with the scale of the buy-back at this time, and it may well be that heads should roll all over the place, but this is about a serious issue and I don't think it is terribly funny as a joke. If the police are not in a state to do this job, then we need to be thinking about ways of helping them get to a point where they can, not just pointing fingers and laughing at them. Someone stuffed up badly. Time to learn from that and move on to ensure it doesn't happen again. No one got hurt on episodes of the Keystone Kops. This is not the same.

I have asked the Palmy police a few times to help with an issue before it escalated, they were always too busy.

Last time we had our car broken into, we did not even call the police, the loss was below our excess and we were not going to do without our car for up to a week until someone bothered to check for fingerprints.

Once when the daughters car got broken into, along with another 4 down the street the cops told us no one could attend for 3-4 days, however when the neighbour contacted them and said he had a rifle stolen we have 3 cop cars turn up.

I also contacted them about my son being ripped off on trade to the tune of $800, gave then ALL the details, they came back 3 months later, said the person was known for this but they would not be taking it any further...WHAT.... ????

Hell, when I did jury service, we had the find the person "not guilty" because they tried to charge the person with a more serious offence to try and get them in prison, and it was a crime they were NOT legally guilty of.

So, I have ZERO confidence in the Palmy police, they have proven they are incompetent multiple times.

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#2226501 27-Apr-2019 19:17

DarthKermit:

Palmy police apparently can't keep their own police station safe. Eleven guns taken.

You sure only guns? Better start counting their patrol cars, tasers, ipads, $, etc

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#2226507 27-Apr-2019 19:41

Rikkitic:

I would like to see a little less glee about this. I enjoy seeing the police and other arms of officialdom being caught out as much as the next person, and it does seem like there has been some major incompetence here, and it may well be so that there is no way the police can cope with the scale of the buy-back at this time, and it may well be that heads should roll all over the place, but this is about a serious issue and I don't think it is terribly funny as a joke. If the police are not in a state to do this job, then we need to be thinking about ways of helping them get to a point where they can, not just pointing fingers and laughing at them. Someone stuffed up badly. Time to learn from that and move on to ensure it doesn't happen again. No one got hurt on episodes of the Keystone Kops. This is not the same.

Or not do it. Everyone I know who owns firearms, some of whom will have to hand them in, takes better care of them than this.

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