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  #2765477 23-Aug-2021 15:15
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Sideface:

 

No one device will do all this.

 

First, forget the printer - it uses way too much power, even for a high end UPS.

 

I have a similar setup to yours in my home office.

 

I use 4 UPS units :
1 x APC 1500VA unit for two desktops - will run for 30 minutes plus
2 x APC 700VA - one for each NAS, to allow a graceful shutdown.
1 x Constant Vigil Sentry Lite unit for the ONT and router - will run for 6 hours

 

This

 

I'm fairly sure my UPS even says either in the documentation or on the back where the power sockets are "Don't plug in a printer". I think this is because a printer uses relatively a lot of current when starting up.
Anyway, if the power is off, what's so urgent to print something?
If you need to keep running continuously through a prolonged power outage, you need a generator as well as UPSes - this is a whole new world of fianancial pain, b.t.w.

 

Make sure that the UPS(es) for the NAS devices will keep them going longer than the PCs' UPS will keep the desktops going, the PCs will be useless if the NAS devices have shut down already

 

My setup is:
1 x Dynamix 1600VA powering a main & an occasional-use PC and a POE switch which powers a WAP
1 x Constant Vigil Sentry Integrated unit for the ONT and router




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  #2765483 23-Aug-2021 15:34
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PolicyGuy:

 

Anyway, if the power is off, what's so urgent to print something?

 

Nothing to print, it just all my devices connect to one wall power socket, my thought was "buy UPS and re-connect as it is", but I was wrong obviously


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  #2765641 23-Aug-2021 19:24
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PolicyGuy:

If you have only an ONT and a router ("modem") to protect, you can't go past these guys: https://www.constantvigil.com/product/sentry-integrated/

 

 

I got one of these, 12V LiIon UPS. I was astounded at how long it ran my VDSL router/firewall/switch/WiFi/etc, after a full day of outage due to work at the Casa it was still on two or three bars out of four.



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  #2765643 23-Aug-2021 19:26
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Oblivian:

UPS's all pretty much didn't stand up due period.

 

 

At any kind of real load you've got enough time to find an alternative power source and that's about it. However for something as low-powered as the OP I'd expect one to run for quite some time. Only thing to be concerned about is that in the past some "simulated sinewave" UPSes had output that tended more and more towards a noisy square wave as the battery power dropped, not sure if this is still the case today.

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  #2765654 23-Aug-2021 19:35
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neb:
Oblivian:

 

UPS's all pretty much didn't stand up due period.

 

At any kind of real load you've got enough time to find an alternative power source and that's about it. However for something as low-powered as the OP I'd expect one to run for quite some time. Only thing to be concerned about is that in the past some "simulated sinewave" UPSes had output that tended more and more towards a noisy square wave as the battery power dropped, not sure if this is still the case today.

 

The waveform really only bothered early active PFC power supplies. Newer ones are all fine with trash waveforms. May be a little more audible noise from the boost supply in them but I haven't had some pretty average PC PSUs have any form of issue even running for hours on a modified sinewave inverter. Small power bricks tend to have no PFC in them so dont care about wave form so long as its got enough voltage in it. I have had some wallwarts running just fine off 48v DC into their mains input.





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  #2765663 23-Aug-2021 19:56
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The waveform really only bothered early active PFC power supplies. Newer ones are all fine with trash waveforms. May be a little more audible noise from the boost supply in them but I haven't had some pretty average PC PSUs have any form of issue even running for hours on a modified sinewave inverter. Small power bricks tend to have no PFC in them so dont care about wave form so long as its got enough voltage in it. I have had some wallwarts running just fine off 48v DC into their mains input.

 

 

Ah, thanks, good to know! I've got two good-quality power bricks (Meanwell) for 12v and 48v (edited to add: Which have active PFC, just checked), and an unknown-quality USB brick, hanging off the UPS, so they should be fine. Must try powering some of the spare bricks with odd voltages like that to see what they do, 48VDC in is pretty impressive if it's one nominally rated for 90-250VAC.

 
 
 
 

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  #2765669 23-Aug-2021 20:22
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MarkM536:

Inside these UPS's it takes 12v from a battery, inverts it to 240v and then my CCTV power supply takes it back down to 48v DC. Huge loss of energy in the process.

 

 

You can get 48VDC gear, but it's targeted at telco use so tends to be quite expensive.

 

 

The thing with 240V UPSes is that they're produced and shipped by the freighter-load, so even if you lose efficiency in the conversion you're taking advantage of economies of scale. Even with 12V UPSes you haven't got much competition to drive prices down or drive improvements in what's available.

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  #2765708 24-Aug-2021 04:51
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Sideface:

 

01EG:

 

I do not want to start a new topic will try my luck here. What UPS you will advice/recommend for the following devices

 

2 x office desktops, will say average power(?)

 

1 x Synology NAS 4 HDDs

 

1 x Qnap NAS 4 HDDs

 

1 x wifi printer

 

and a few accessories

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

No one device will do all this.

 

 

Plenty will but you're not talking about $500


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  #2765751 24-Aug-2021 09:25
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Handle9:

 

Plenty will but you're not talking about $500

 

 

Yeah, already got it when I saw the prices :D


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  #2765796 24-Aug-2021 10:47
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"1 x wifi printer"

 

only if its an inkjet
NEVER plug a laser printer into your cheap UPS.... Unless you plug it into the filter only socket on the UPS .

 

How old is your UPS? Most old cheapies I see in use have stuffed batts


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  #2765806 24-Aug-2021 11:06
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"1 x wifi printer"

 

only if its an inkjet
NEVER plug a laser printer into your cheap UPS.... Unless you plug it into the filter only socket on the UPS .

 

How old is your UPS? Most old cheapies I see in use have stuffed batts

 

 

it is the inkjet. I do not have a UPS yet


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