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#2068310 5-Aug-2018 18:28

nurcopolics:
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Fake ID is easy. Just photoshop a driver license and laminate it. Won't pass in any pub but I bet you can use it for a parcel. Not that I support this, of course.

anybody can pick up an item as long as they have the card that is for calling and they just write down the name I swear anybody can pick up lots of people have different surnames and are not married just like our Prime Minister's husband

A card to call from any courier company is the worst situation to find yourself in if you're going to fake names.

It's easy to fake a signature for delivery and most couriers will deliver to anybody who's at an address when they try and deliver goods. Get a card to call or similar from any courier and you'll find they all request ID to match the addressee of the goods as a basic requirement before they hand them over. Anybody could be in possession of the card to call, hence some basic checks are essential.

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#2068313 5-Aug-2018 18:43

that is definitely not the case I have had at least at 15 items that my partner has had addressed to her and I've gone and picked up the wrote down my name and they simply gave me the item once I gave them i d. It is my honest belief that there is certainly ways around this system it is faulty it is callus and it will cause people to find ways to beat the 15% cost. I wonder if it's cheaper to fly to Hawaii?

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#2068324 5-Aug-2018 19:25

You're all assuming they bother to even leave the card or come to the house

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#2068325 5-Aug-2018 19:32

These are all great suggestions. I'm totally going to make a fake driving license for my cat.

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#2068338 5-Aug-2018 20:29

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irongarment: So basically the NZ govt is passing a law that companies in other countries must obey. Does this not strike anyone as odd?

Would it be ok for another country to make a law that we here must obey?

We could instead charge GST on every import. Or no imports. Or place the onus upon citizens to faithfully report the value of imported goods as part of their annual tax return, with the occasional audit to keep the peasants in line.

Frankly, I'm satisfied with the status quo, and I'd up the the limit to $600 or $800 to reduce the cost of collecting it even further.

If you ship something to any other country you already have to comply with their laws.

All this does is change the rules slightly.

Nope. The importer must comply with the laws (because the importer is subject to local laws). The sender must comply only with his local laws. That's how laws work.

What the NZ govt is saying is "You over there, here is a law you must comply with. Collect our tax for us and send it to us. Kthxbye."

Nope. El Chapo got extradited to the US for exporting large amounts of drugs to the States. The sender must comply both with his local laws and foreign laws.

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#2068341 5-Aug-2018 20:36

Rikkitic:

I guess the real question is why you feel a need to do this? Is it the money? Or just some sense of superiority from beating 'the man'?

You mean the way you will do anything to avoid helping Statistics New Zealand? 🤣

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#2068343 5-Aug-2018 20:39

If you want to think so. Not sure what it has to do with this.

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#2068353 5-Aug-2018 21:30

if you fill out a form at the New Zealand post saying authority to leave they will leave anything you have delivered at your doorstep and you will never have to go and pick it up and show ID. It is signed for by the person who was delivering the item and you will get your goods so there is certainly a work around to ensure there is no effect on this new tax.

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#2068355 5-Aug-2018 21:42

debo:
irongarment:
andrewNZ:
irongarment: So basically the NZ govt is passing a law that companies in other countries must obey. Does this not strike anyone as odd?

Would it be ok for another country to make a law that we here must obey?

We could instead charge GST on every import. Or no imports. Or place the onus upon citizens to faithfully report the value of imported goods as part of their annual tax return, with the occasional audit to keep the peasants in line.

Frankly, I'm satisfied with the status quo, and I'd up the the limit to $600 or $800 to reduce the cost of collecting it even further.

If you ship something to any other country you already have to comply with their laws.

All this does is change the rules slightly.

Nope. The importer must comply with the laws (because the importer is subject to local laws). The sender must comply only with his local laws. That's how laws work.

What the NZ govt is saying is "You over there, here is a law you must comply with. Collect our tax for us and send it to us. Kthxbye."

Nope. El Chapo got extradited to the US for exporting large amounts of drugs to the States. The sender must comply both with his local laws and foreign laws.

Nope. He did not comply with local laws. If there was no law against drug trafficking in his home country it would not have been possible to extradite him.

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#2068426 6-Aug-2018 07:51

nurcopolics: if you fill out a form at the New Zealand post saying authority to leave they will leave anything you have delivered at your doorstep and you will never have to go and pick it up and show ID. It is signed for by the person who was delivering the item and you will get your goods so there is certainly a work around to ensure there is no effect on this new tax.

I still fail to see how you think you're going to make this "work around" work. If you start marking things as a gift you can only import goods to the value of $110, and as I've already said multiple times if you think sending significant numbers of "gifts" to a single address particularly using bogus names won't register your address as suspicious then you'll soon realise it will.

Considering NZ post also don't deliver the majority of parcels arriving in NZ from bigger overseas retailers having an authority to leave is also rather pointless.

I'm also confused why you think this is a new tax because it's not. GST is already levied on all goods imported into NZ, it's merely not charged if the GST and/or duty fees are below the de minimis.

I think the new law is flawed in many ways particularly as many imports under $400 will be cheaper once the new law comes into effect due to no duty and IETF fees between $230 and $399 for applicable products. Many retailers who seem to think this law is magically going to improve things have got a shock when they finally discover this.

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#2068427 6-Aug-2018 08:05

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I think the new law is flawed in many ways particularly as many imports under $400 will be cheaper once the new law comes into effect due to no duty and IETF fees between $230 and $399 for applicable products. Many retailers who seem to think this law is magically going to improve things have got a shock when they finally discover this.

Agree

The issue is a level playing field, so the retailers will get this, end of story. It also shows the Govt is not looking for extra taxes, just implementing the GST that was always on place for small overseas imports but not used as there was no mechanism. And that many commentators are not interested in the rights or wrongs as far as NZ Govt revenue is concerned, they just look at their wallet.

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#2068446 6-Aug-2018 08:42

nurcopolics: that is definitely not the case I have had at least at 15 items that my partner has had addressed to her and I've gone and picked up the wrote down my name and they simply gave me the item once I gave them i d. It is my honest belief that there is certainly ways around this system it is faulty it is callus and it will cause people to find ways to beat the 15% cost. I wonder if it's cheaper to fly to Hawaii?

I guess it depends on the courier company but whenever I've had to pick up something they've asked me for photo ID and noted down my drivers licence number.

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#2068448 6-Aug-2018 08:49

tdgeek:

sbiddle:

I think the new law is flawed in many ways particularly as many imports under $400 will be cheaper once the new law comes into effect due to no duty and IETF fees between $230 and $399 for applicable products. Many retailers who seem to think this law is magically going to improve things have got a shock when they finally discover this.

Agree

The issue is a level playing field, so the retailers will get this, end of story. It also shows the Govt is not looking for extra taxes, just implementing the GST that was always on place for small overseas imports but not used as there was no mechanism. And that many commentators are not interested in the rights or wrongs as far as NZ Govt revenue is concerned, they just look at their wallet.

But it doesn't introduce a level playing field.

Importing a pair of shoes and clothing that costs over roughly NZ$230 currently incurs GST and duty on those goods, and as that puts the de minimis over $60 you also have to pay the IETF fee meaning you pay an extra NZ$113.62 on top of the NZ$230

With this change you'll only have to pay GST, meaning you'll only pay an extra $37.95 and save yourself $75.67 over what you'll pay now.

A retailer importing clothing and shoes for sale has to pay both duty and GST on the imported goods, as well as apportioning the IETF fees across the total cost of their goods.

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#2068457 6-Aug-2018 09:26

sbiddle:

tdgeek:

sbiddle:

I think the new law is flawed in many ways particularly as many imports under $400 will be cheaper once the new law comes into effect due to no duty and IETF fees between $230 and $399 for applicable products. Many retailers who seem to think this law is magically going to improve things have got a shock when they finally discover this.

Agree

The issue is a level playing field, so the retailers will get this, end of story. It also shows the Govt is not looking for extra taxes, just implementing the GST that was always on place for small overseas imports but not used as there was no mechanism. And that many commentators are not interested in the rights or wrongs as far as NZ Govt revenue is concerned, they just look at their wallet.

But it doesn't introduce a level playing field.

Importing a pair of shoes and clothing that costs over roughly NZ$230 currently incurs GST and duty on those goods, and as that puts the de minimis over $60 you also have to pay the IETF fee meaning you pay an extra NZ$113.62 on top of the NZ$230

With this change you'll only have to pay GST, meaning you'll only pay an extra $37.95 and save yourself $75.67 over what you'll pay now.

A retailer importing clothing and shoes for sale has to pay both duty and GST on the imported goods, as well as apportioning the IETF fees across the total cost of their goods.

Fair enough. I assume that comes down to costs to collect vs revenue

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#2068712 6-Aug-2018 14:43

If this all goes ahead, I am not sure how local retail will have a level playing field they think they will have.

Half of the things I import come from Japan, they are not sold here in New Zealand at all and therefore my only option is to import
40% of the things I import come from the USA, they are not sold here in New Zealand at all therefore my only option is to import
10% of the things I import are available locally but can be hard to get, so I import in order to ensure I get it - if I can't import it and can't get it locally, then I just won't bother getting it
There are almost no situations where the local retailer will get my custom if I can't import it

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