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#1768438 21-Apr-2017 13:04

tripp: How high is your turn over? Going by the OP you made it sounds high because you are upset with the changes and the "cheaper" labour force that will be cut off after the changes.

Sounds like your company might need to have a sit down and a hard rethink about what is really fair.

In the last 3 years only 1 staff left to join a silicon valley company. So year turn over isn't hire. We had growth and hired 3 new staff which happen to be migrant. We held recruitment for 3-4 months and these guys stood out and I must say are good workers. The reason of the post was that this affects them and also a guy who has worked for us for 2 years when his visa is up for renewal it will affect him also if this goes through.

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#1768471 21-Apr-2017 13:52

That's -really- bad if it affects existing workers and people already in the country. It's also more than a little Trump like and if that's really the case I'd have to ask if this has been thought through very well.

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#1768491 21-Apr-2017 14:26

Oriphix:

Sadly I have the reverse problem at my work. I am pushing the guys to get certified and we cover that cost yet they don't do it. I guess people get to comfortable with there jobs as well at some stage.

I don't suppose you are hiring senior engineers in Wellington? So hard to find companies that are willing to regularly invest in staff training. My dream employer is somewhere that sends me on at least one training course a year, and sends me to Ignite every year.. I think I'm dreaming thou sadly, because plenty have promised regular training courses over the years but it's never happened. I've done quite a few MS exams and my CCNA myself, but I'd love to get my VMWare certs as well.. pity you need to attend a VMWare approved course to sit the exam and it's not a cheap course.

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#1768493 21-Apr-2017 14:30

Lias:

Oriphix:

Sadly I have the reverse problem at my work. I am pushing the guys to get certified and we cover that cost yet they don't do it. I guess people get to comfortable with there jobs as well at some stage.

I don't suppose you are hiring senior engineers in Wellington? So hard to find companies that are willing to regularly invest in staff training. My dream employer is somewhere that sends me on at least one training course a year, and sends me to Ignite every year.. I think I'm dreaming thou sadly, because plenty have promised regular training courses over the years but it's never happened. I've done quite a few MS exams and my CCNA myself, but I'd love to get my VMWare certs as well.. pity you need to attend a VMWare approved course to sit the exam and it's not a cheap course.

I had no issues paying for staff to do training etc, my feelings are that it is/was and investment. I did however expect a return on that investment. As for Ignite hmmm but I did pay for some events similar.

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#1768529 21-Apr-2017 16:36

I'm always surprised at what people seem prepared to work for.

I'd think $100 k was minimum for skilled migrants .

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#1768537 21-Apr-2017 17:18

In our company there are 2 NZ born citizens, 2 migrant citizens (both 30+ years), 6 resident visa holders, and 3 student/work visa holders.

Without immigration we wouldn't have a company or we wouldn't have done it in NZ. There are hardly any NZ applicants for most positions (paying large salaries) or those that apply are not relevant.

We are in the IT space.

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#1768538 21-Apr-2017 17:24

Geektastic: I'm always surprised at what people seem prepared to work for.

I'd think $100 k was minimum for skilled migrants .

Well sometimes the choice is not offered?

The absolute maximum a teacher with 8+ years experience and a Masters degree in education can earn (before becoming a deputy/head teacher) is $74,500... I'd definitely defend the idea that I'm "highly skilled" but the value of my profession is such that we are 'essential' and 'highly valued' but not quite financially...

(https://www.education.govt.nz/school/working-in-a-school/teachers/primary-teachers/

*edit* even if you read on and see the allowances and expertise bonus possibilities (very hard to qualify for officially) you'd still struggle to to 80K...

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#1768578 21-Apr-2017 20:00

I think you also need to remember that people who make the effort to go through the migration process are making quite a commitment.

Is expensive and time consuming to do and leaving everything you know behind is no small step.

The discussion (wider, not here) is often couched in terms that suggest migrants just rock up and take what they want.

It really isn't that easy.

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#1768611 21-Apr-2017 20:52

gzt: That's -really- bad if it affects existing workers and people already in the country. It's also more than a little Trump like, and if that's really the case I'd have to ask if this has been thought through very well.

Answering my own question. It looks like it will affect people already in the country:

NZHerald: Kary Chung, a 22-year-old restaurant front-of-house manager, says Immigration changes will make it "impossible" for her to meet visa requirements under the skilled migrant category. Originally from Hong Kong, Chung has been in New Zealand for five years, coming first as a high school student at Takapuna Grammar School and graduated last year with a Bachelor of International Hospitality Management degree from AUT University.

These changes applying to people like Chung already in the country and working towards their goals are particularly stupid. What is the point of that? It's just stupid and nasty.

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#1768612 21-Apr-2017 21:01

Geektastic: I'm always surprised at what people seem prepared to work for.

I'd think $100 k was minimum for skilled migrants .

If the average wage in your country was USD1/day then your skilled workforce presumably won't be getting 100k/year, and any developed country would pay better.

Recall Polish doctors leaving Poland en masse thanks to the EU being formed.

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