New conspiracy theory: keep NZ safe, keep copper network

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#1948249 29-Jan-2018 18:02

Rikkitic: I don't think they actually deserve a serious response, but their issue does not seem to be with fibre as such, rather with using microwave in rural areas as part of the fibre roll-out elsewhere, or maybe just with any kind of modernisation. But I'm not entirely certain what they actually object to. I think it has to do with mind control and tinfoil hats. They aren't exactly coherent about it.

I didn't see any mind control stuff. They object to cordless phones on a radiation basis. It looks like general EMF type objections to everything like that. So yeah that one again..

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#1948256 29-Jan-2018 18:15

Which I consider more or less equivalent to mind control. From what I read, their arguments seem illogical and incoherent. They believe EMR is hazardous to health, but a lot of that seems to be pseudo-science. They don't seem to actually understand anything about the technological underpinnings of the things they object to, and even by the standards they are applying, the things they think are better may actually be worse. They babble about microwave, but I bet they also have Sky dishes. They don't like cordless phones, but the old ones also radiate electromagnetic fields from their electronics. Copper wires generate induction currents. So do energy-saving light bulbs. Where are they drawing the lines on these things? Do they even know?

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#1948270 29-Jan-2018 19:02

Yep usual EMR/EMF stuff.

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#1948305 29-Jan-2018 20:33

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gzt: Reliable in the sense that if the local power goes out your phone is powered by batteries at the exchange. It's not an issue for cities. Rural areas may have frequent power outages. I'll give them that point.

A cellphone easily solves this problem as it has an inbuilt battery. And after the Christchurch earthquakes, it was found that a large number of people were using cordless phones without investing in either battery backup or a corded phone.

Also in lots of areas, the copper phones are not actually connected to the exchange with copper. The copper lines instead go to a cabinet, and fibre connects the cabinet to the exchange.

I did volunteer days giving out corded phones. Corded phones can be great if you have them, but who does?

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#1948306 29-Jan-2018 20:34

Rikkitic:

I don't think they actually deserve a serious response, but their issue does not seem to be with fibre as such, rather with using microwave in rural areas as part of the fibre roll-out elsewhere, or maybe just with any kind of modernisation. But I'm not entirely certain what they actually object to. I think it has to do with mind control and tinfoil hats. They aren't exactly coherent about it.

Id like to know what microwave or similar emission products they themselves use.

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#1948307 29-Jan-2018 20:44

Id say that horse and cart is safer than cars. A chat over the fence is safer than the internet. Each of these two examples have a few disadvantages, but also HUGE advantages. Plus I got no hay left.

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#1948378 29-Jan-2018 23:59

Since we are not due to get fibre until 2026 I hope they do not get too far ahead of themselves in removing copper!

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#1948555 30-Jan-2018 11:05

Geektastic:

Since we are not due to get fibre until 2026 I hope they do not get too far ahead of themselves in removing copper!

But I assume your objections are related to cost and performance factors as opposed to tinfoil hats.

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#1948560 30-Jan-2018 11:15

This is an initiative from Crown Fibre Holdings to improve broadband into the areas which can't get fibre.

Was a good talk at NZNOG about it.

(I bet the people who wrote the flyers use a mobile phone to call all their mates to complain, but that doesn't worry them!).

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#1948561 30-Jan-2018 11:16

Sounddude:

(I bet the people who wrote the flyers use a mobile phone to call all their mates to complain, but that doesn't worry them!).

i was going to say i bet they have wireless handsets, but thought that was a little to far.

Your right on the mobile phone line though...

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#1948563 30-Jan-2018 11:20

Should we make our own "Geek certified" conspiracy theory that is just crooked to the inth degree and spin it off to them and see if they buy it?
Then after they cotton onto it just go "hah! You lot are so dumb you bought into my made up theory, questions the validity of your theories." Then they will just question themselves for eternity.

Only if they knew what a DNS (Digital Network Scrubbing is the correct term) was.. Heck, They'd realize they are not safe after all.
SFTP: Spy File Transfer Protocol. That's a dangerous one.. Just to name a few..

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#1948578 30-Jan-2018 11:59

What angers me (and it does) is that misinformed people who subscribe to this kind of silly superstition are given a voice on matters that affect all of us. I don't know a good answer to that, but receiving this folder in my mailbox prompted me to make a submission urging that frivolous objections based on technological ignorance be ignored and the Bill be passed without alteration.

There is no question that microwave radiation can cook you, just like it does in the ovens. It is also at least possible that holding a phone next to your ear for hours every day can have an effect on your health, though this has not yet been proven. But the energy levels of microwave radiation plummet at even small distances from the source and the levels ordinary people are exposed to in ordinary life are negligible. If people want to worry about threats to their health, they should worry about the diabetes that results from eating KFC and BK every day.

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#1948585 30-Jan-2018 12:31

Paul1977:

Geektastic:

Since we are not due to get fibre until 2026 I hope they do not get too far ahead of themselves in removing copper!

But I assume your objections are related to cost and performance factors as opposed to tinfoil hats.

My only objection is the verdammt long time I have to wait..!

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#1948601 30-Jan-2018 13:11

Rikkitic:

What angers me (and it does) is that misinformed people who subscribe to this kind of silly superstition are given a voice on matters that affect all of us. I don't know a good answer to that, but receiving this folder in my mailbox prompted me to make a submission urging that frivolous objections based on technological ignorance be ignored and the Bill be passed without alteration.

There is no question that microwave radiation can cook you, just like it does in the ovens. It is also at least possible that holding a phone next to your ear for hours every day can have an effect on your health, though this has not yet been proven. But the energy levels of microwave radiation plummet at even small distances from the source and the levels ordinary people are exposed to in ordinary life are negligible. If people want to worry about threats to their health, they should worry about the diabetes that results from eating KFC and BK every day.

I have a friend who is like this, i am not going to sy he is dumb or compare him but lets jsut say he thinks he is smarter than he is.
The other day he told me the earth was flat and I almost wet myself..

Its those who make this crap up then feed it to others who then pass it on as if they are experts.

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#1948622 30-Jan-2018 14:13

I have a very good friend who is exactly the same. She latches onto every Alt-Reality weirdness that hits the Internet. I think she also believes that microwaves are eating her brain. But she is a sweet, loving, caring, generous person and a genuinely good friend. We have had some discussions about these things but we have both learned to avoid going into them too far. I have come to the conclusion that she actually needs to believe this crap, and would be much less happy if she didn't. It is like a kind of church to her. We have tacitly agreed to respect each other's ideas and I am content with that, but I still don't want people like her influencing political decision-making with nonsense mumbo-jumbo.

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