Deer killer sentenced to watch Bambi. What sentences would you like to impose?

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#2148491 20-Dec-2018 17:17

Rikkitic:
Maybe taggers could be sentenced to cleaning the porta-loos after public events? With toothbrushes?

With their own toothbrushes!

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#2148533 20-Dec-2018 21:15

What about the sheriff in Arizona where the prison inmates are fed the same meals every day of the year & on the dining area tv's he plays endless re-runs of cooking shows! That is the kind of inventive mind we need in this thread.

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#2148569 20-Dec-2018 21:46

Coil:

For non violent offenders. (Petty theft, domestic first offenders, traffic offenses etc)

Make them pay their yearly cost to the tax payer back in labour at a rate of $10 an hour and if they do not want to do that then the state liquidates their assets to cover the cost of their term in prison, family could contribute etc.

What's a domestic "first offender"? And how are they non-violent?

Traffic offences (non-US spelling) have "fines", normally.. They're a way people "pay back".

If they can't afford fines, what makes you think any of these people have assets?

And if they do have assets, they possibly have jobs, which probably makes it hard for people to work for $10 an hour.

Here's a plan...

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/378756/prisoners-spruce-up-bikes-to-spread-christmas-cheer

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#2148696 21-Dec-2018 10:02

I think most of the replies here are completely missing the mark.

Surely the idea of "creative sentences" are novel ideas that will better rehabilitate the offender and reduce the risk of re-offending, while perhaps also having the offender contribute back to society in a meaningful way.

Cruel and unusual punishment is not the idea.

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#2148702 21-Dec-2018 10:17

Paul1977:

I think most of the replies here are completely missing the mark.

Surely the idea of "creative sentences" are novel ideas that will better rehabilitate the offender and reduce the risk of re-offending, while perhaps also having the offender contribute back to society in a meaningful way.

Cruel and unusual punishment is not the idea.

I'm all for having them contribute to society in a variety of ways.. slave labour.. organ donation.. medical research...

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#2148716 21-Dec-2018 10:53

Lias:

Paul1977:

I think most of the replies here are completely missing the mark.

Surely the idea of "creative sentences" are novel ideas that will better rehabilitate the offender and reduce the risk of re-offending, while perhaps also having the offender contribute back to society in a meaningful way.

Cruel and unusual punishment is not the idea.

I'm all for having them contribute to society in a variety of ways.. slave labour.. organ donation.. medical research...

Aww, cmon now.

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#2148718 21-Dec-2018 10:55

Lias:

I'm all for having them contribute to society in a variety of ways.. slave labour.. organ donation.. medical research...

You've made it clear that you believe certain offenders should be made to suffer as much as is humanly possible. Serious question: what would this achieve?

I'm all for keeping the most dangerous offenders away from society for the rest of there lives (in order to protect the public), but what good comes from what you suggest (torture etc)?

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#2148723 21-Dec-2018 10:57

Paul1977:

Lias:

I'm all for having them contribute to society in a variety of ways.. slave labour.. organ donation.. medical research...

You've made it clear that you believe certain offenders should be made to suffer as much as is humanly possible. Serious question: what would this achieve?

I'm all for keeping the most dangerous offenders away from society for the rest of there lives (in order to protect the public), but what good comes from what you suggest (torture etc)?

Honestly, you are wasting your time reasoning in this way. Some peoples beliefs just defy logic.

Interestingly, as I have gotten a bit older, I have found myself considering all sorts of things that my younger self couldn't "see". I used to hold some of these views myself, though to a slightly less extreme extent.

I do sympathise with these views, it's hard not to feel angry and vengent when you see people people exploited or mistreated. The mother who rented her daughter out to men on her birthday and up to 6-8 times a day from that point onward, who was given 6 years prison really made my blood boil.

Not so much her sentence (which I felt seemed lenient compared to the harm she caused) but rather that anyone could have such a low regard for others well beings. Sometimes I struggle to understand how people will ever become a contributing member of society after the crimes they commit, but I guess cooler heads prevail.

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#2148725 21-Dec-2018 11:09

networkn:

Paul1977:

Lias:

I'm all for having them contribute to society in a variety of ways.. slave labour.. organ donation.. medical research...

You've made it clear that you believe certain offenders should be made to suffer as much as is humanly possible. Serious question: what would this achieve?

I'm all for keeping the most dangerous offenders away from society for the rest of there lives (in order to protect the public), but what good comes from what you suggest (torture etc)?

Honestly, you are wasting your time reasoning in this way. Some peoples beliefs just defy logic.

Interestingly, as I have gotten a bit older, I have found myself considering all sorts of things that my younger self couldn't "see". I used to hold some of these views myself, though to a slightly less extreme extent.

I do sympathise with these views, it's hard not to feel angry and vengent when you see people people exploited or mistreated. The mother who rented her daughter out to men on her birthday and up to 6-8 times a day from that point onward, who was given 6 years prison really made my blood boil.

Not so much her sentence (which I felt seemed lenient compared to the harm she caused) but rather that anyone could have such a low regard for others well beings. Sometimes I struggle to understand how people will ever become a contributing member of society after the crimes they commit, but I guess cooler heads prevail.

Maybe they are seeing those forms of punishment as a deterrent in itself, so people think more before committing a crime. For some 10 years in jail is a vacation seeing family or friends or doing work for their groups.

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#2148731 21-Dec-2018 11:30

Coil: Maybe they are seeing those forms of punishment as a deterrent in itself, so people think more before committing a crime. For some 10 years in jail is a vacation seeing family or friends or doing work for their groups.

I hadn't actually thought of that.

EDIT: I just wonder what it says about a society when the punishment for wanton cruelty and violence is wanton cruelty and violence. I guess I just don't subscribe to the whole "eye for an eye" thing.

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#2148742 21-Dec-2018 11:39

Like most of us here, I am not an expert on penal reform, but my understanding is that many criminals, especially violent ones and those who act on impulse, are not deterred by any sentence. They simply are not capable of thinking ahead and connecting their acts to consequences. They may regret it (the consequence) after the fact, but they simply do not have the cerebral capacity to think ahead and wonder what will happen if they get caught. For these people it doesn't matter what the sentence is. It literally does not enter their heads.

This is the problem with a lot of (politically motivated) punishments. They are dreamt up by people who would experience them as a disincentive, but who cannot seem to understand that the ones they are aimed at do not. They just don't think the same way. For this reason even America is abandoning three strikes legislation. It doesn't work. No violent crim stops and thinks gee I better not do this, it's my third strike. It doesn't work that way.

The same applies to other sentencing. I very much doubt any criminal takes account of the maximum sentence before they decide whether to do a crime or not. Apart from that, I cannot recall reading of any court case, ever, where the maximum sentence or anything close to it was actually imposed. It always strikes me as impotent posturing. That is what makes the recent legislation on synthetic cannabis so disappointing. It is a meaningless gesture. No-one who is prepared to sell that crap in the first place is going to give a damn about maximum sentences. This kind of BS only serves to impress voters.

I doubt that draconian sentences have a useful deterrent effect. If they serve any purpose, it is just that they may keep the criminal off the streets a little longer. Maybe they satisfy victims who want vengeance. But I very much doubt that they prevent new crime. The factors that create and motivate criminals lie elsewhere in society.

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#2148808 21-Dec-2018 12:59

Rikkitic:

I doubt that draconian sentences have a useful deterrent effect. If they serve any purpose, it is just that they may keep the criminal off the streets a little longer. Maybe they satisfy victims who want vengeance. But I very much doubt that they prevent new crime. The factors that create and motivate criminals lie elsewhere in society.

The only time a draconian practice like I said earlier and others of similar would work is if the offender was to never re enter society. (might as well skip to death penalty)
We do want to rehabilitate people, and need to. We are meant to be civilized.
If we isolate people with similar people it reinforces the bad behaviors that got them there, prison does this in a way but more relevant if you exile someone or put them into a hard labour camp, they are going to come out with a raft of mental issues and probably be more aggravated. If you sentence them to a life of pain then you may as well give them the death penalty.

Vengeance in this country amazes me, "The family needs closure" sort of BS that pops up trying to get "Innocent" people harsher sentences for things like involuntary man slaughter etc.

**I say innocent in the sense that some things are non intentional or things go wrong, meaning the person did not start their day to achieve what they did..

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#2148860 21-Dec-2018 14:27

My objection is on the grounds of cost.

The cost in dollar terms of keeping these people jailed for the more heinous offences is very high. To my mind, that simply punishes the taxpayer in addition to the criminal. OTOH you can load a .223 round for about 30 cents....

I can't see what the value is of keeping them fed and housed: what return on that huge investment does the taxpayer get?

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#2148878 21-Dec-2018 14:49

This is an old argument that goes nowhere. Either you are a civilised being who finds the taking of all human life abhorrent, or you are not. This thread is not about taking life, or torture, or getting even. It is about creative punishments that might make wrong-doers think twice. I guess there is less creativity on Geekzone than I would have thought.

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#2148880 21-Dec-2018 14:52

Rikkitic:

I couldn't decide what to do with this but thought it was too good to ignore so am just posting it here for what it's worth. In America (where else) a judge has sentenced a deer killer to watch Bambi once a month! Maybe we should also allow more creative sentencing here. Who knows what our judges could come up with? In fact, I will make that the justification for this post. What innovative sentences would you like to see imposed for the common crimes that annoy us all? Use your imagination, people.

I don't get it. Illegal hunting results in baby deers with no mother? So legally hunting ensures that you should kill the entire family to avoid this situation?

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