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  #433012 31-Jan-2011 07:04
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DonGould:
KiwiNZ:  Teens should use their phones in Cases but they don't as the "cool police" has deemed it un-cool to do so .  


The rules are simple. 

The product is required to be fit for purpose or don't sell it.  Simple.

You can blar blar on all day about the tech reasons or excuses but they simply are not relevant. 

If the seller knows the state of the product (which they should before selling it) and they choose to sell it to a teen, knowing how the teen will use it (as pointed out by you) then it's the sellers problem when it ends in tears (in this case HN).

The seller in this case should just suck it up, get the stupid thing fixed - perhaps just a replacement to a more appropriate phone and move on.

If the vendor in this case had half a brain then he'd just replace the phone in this case then come back on list and point out how they've backed up their retailer (beyond the call of duty) and win one for their brand.


In this case HN are looking like pricks and so is the vendor.

This is exactly the sort of crap that the CGA was designed to circumvent. 

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The consumer needs to be responsible to care for their own property as well.

Both Harvey Norman Nokia have acted within the Act and offered alternatives to the consumer .




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  #433015 31-Jan-2011 07:06
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DonGould:
KiwiNZ:  Teens should use their phones in Cases but they don't as the "cool police" has deemed it un-cool to do so .  


The rules are simple. 

The product is required to be fit for purpose or don't sell it.  Simple.

You can blar blar on all day about the tech reasons or excuses but they simply are not relevant. 

If the seller knows the state of the product (which they should before selling it) and they choose to sell it to a teen, knowing how the teen will use it (as pointed out by you) then it's the sellers problem when it ends in tears (in this case HN).

The seller in this case should just suck it up, get the stupid thing fixed - perhaps just a replacement to a more appropriate phone and move on.

If the vendor in this case had half a brain then he'd just replace the phone in this case then come back on list and point out how they've backed up their retailer (beyond the call of duty) and win one for their brand.


In this case HN are looking like pricks and so is the vendor.

This is exactly the sort of crap that the CGA was designed to circumvent. 

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It did fit the purpose for which it was sold , " A complex mobile communication device" not a toy to be mistreated. 




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  #433049 31-Jan-2011 09:29
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KiwiNZ: Both Harvey Norman Nokia have acted within the Act and offered alternatives to the consumer .


Yes and I note very little response to the vendors offer which leaves me wondering if this was more of an anti-HN troll?





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  #433050 31-Jan-2011 09:35
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nigelj: The key thing is, the CGA is all subjective, and if you have major issues, you either have to bite the bullet or go to Small Claims to get a ruling.


I agree it's subjective. 

As a first step users should contract the department and raise a complaint and ask for free advice.

They should also then come back to forums like GeekZone and communicate how they got on and share the departments advice - again free.

If we start to see trends that aren't good for consumer outcomes then we have grounds for some traction on changing the rules.

However at present I see two complaints a month here.  Nothing to bat an eye lid at.

This is why I call for the vendor to just sort the crap quickly and use it as a vehicle to support his brand. 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10702593

Looks to me like this vendor needs to do all it can to keep on top of it's brand. 

Yes, 1 article in NZH and 1 unhappy user on GZ isn't going to bring down any-ones brand - in fact it draws more attention to it which can be good, which is always why I wonder if these complainants are nothing more than vendor trolls as well.

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  #433091 31-Jan-2011 10:53
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DonGould:
KiwiNZ: Both Harvey Norman Nokia have acted within the Act and offered alternatives to the consumer .


Yes and I note very little response to the vendors offer which leaves me wondering if this was more of an anti-HN troll?



I'm not sure if I have understood this remark. Is it directed at me?

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  #433096 31-Jan-2011 10:58
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BiDi: I'm not sure if I have understood this remark. Is it directed at me?


Yes and No.

It was directed at the community.  I was suggesting that they give consideration to the vendors offer of help and note the follow up responses from both vendor and yourself.

You have been requested to post a photo of the damaged phone so others can comment.

You have been invited to contact the vendor directly.

I has been suggested you contact the department.

So far I haven't seen a photo and confess I didn't follow up on the rest.

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  #433099 31-Jan-2011 11:08
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OK,

1) I saw the request for a photo only about an hour ago. I am at work, the phone is at home. Patience please, I will do that but it cannot be done quickly.

2) Contact the vendor directly? I have been twice to their store and also called them on the phone. So I do not understand that remark. It is my intention to write to them next, but I was hoping to get clarification about whether this request for a $50 deposit is a reasonable request.

The Dept of Consumer Affairs website suggests not and I wanted to try to check on that before writing.

3) Which 'department' are you referring to?



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  #433104 31-Jan-2011 11:14
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1 - Forums are a fast moving media. I accept that posting a photo may take time, not being on the ball watching your email and saying what you just said does attract suspicion - no offense intended :)

2 - The 'vendor' is Nokia, not HN - See: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=75743&page_no=2#432665

With respect to the $50. I think that's been answered. Personally I wouldn't pay it but I accept there are people here who would.

3 - Consumer Affairs. If you feel that you disagree with the policies then you should tell them. You don't need to be right. You do need to tell them you disagree so they can count the number of people who don't like the current way things are working.

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  #433110 31-Jan-2011 11:23
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If the 'vendor' is Nokia, then I did reply (http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=75743&page_no=2#432769) I provided the information requested.

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  #433127 31-Jan-2011 11:45
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BiDi - sorry, I did see that post and confess I didn't look closely. I did note that the vendor hasn't responded on list.

This thread has two parts in my view - your issue and more general discussion on CGA.

New user having a whinge about a CGA issue/vendors product often = troll.


Please do not be offended. :)






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  #433194 31-Jan-2011 13:37
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Luckily its still school holidays. Here are three photos of the phone, taken by my daughter.

Back view

The back ...

Front view

the front ...

The on-off button

The on-off button

As I have already said. The phone has lots of scratches (she carried in a pocket with keys!), but that should not cause an on-off button to fail.

Anyway, I hope that this is sufficient to restore my reputation.

Let me add this. I looked at GeekZone for information about the CGA before first approaching HN (not as a member, just as a guest). Then after the first store visit, I decided that it might be worth while posting an account about the events. My intentions were i) to get advice and ii) to create a record of the full process - through to repair or else to me deciding not to go further. I thought that it might well be of interest to others - at some later time - to see how things panned out. I would have been interested to see such a thing. 




 
 
 
 

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  #433200 31-Jan-2011 13:46
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BiDi: As I have already said. The phone has lots of scratches (she carried in a pocket with keys!), but that should not cause an on-off button to fail.

Anyway, I hope that this is sufficient to restore my reputation.


You're reputation isn't the one at stake here.  The retailer and vendor are the ones I'm interested in.  No offense but we don't know you from a bar of soap. :) So please don't be offended by my comments.

With respect to the phone.  I don't consider that undue amount of wear on a teenagers phone. 

Your photo doesn't seem to show any direct impact on the top of the phone indicating a direct drop on to the ground from any height (falling out of her pocket).

I would be interested in the views of others, but I'd pay the $50 and expect a positive result.

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  #433203 31-Jan-2011 13:48
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BiDi: Luckily its still school holidays. Here are three photos of the phone, taken by my daughter.

(snipping pictures)

The on-off button

As I have already said. The phone has lots of scratches (she carried in a pocket with keys!), but that should not cause an on-off button to fail.

Anyway, I hope that this is sufficient to restore my reputation.


As someone who has had a recent Nokia phone scratched by keys, looks like this phone has got off lightly ;).  My personal opinion is to agree with you, especially with what I had said before, buttons like the on/off button are normally rated at a reasonably large quantity of cycles.

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  #433205 31-Jan-2011 13:49
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Sure, no offense taken :-)

Earlier you said that you would not pay the $50. Now you say pay it?!

I'm confused

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  #433207 31-Jan-2011 13:53
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I totally agree, that phone is in a very fair condition and although their are scratches their is nothing their to suggest any serious damage.

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